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Jon_Smith May 27, 2021 @ 7:42am
Does anyone actually like James Vega?
Ok, so at first he's all nice and respectful to you, kinda idolizes you and salutes even though you don't have a rank and are under house arrest.

Then you get back on the Normandy and he mouths off and argues with you about going to Mars and doesn't accept you were re-instated, Joker just takes the order and gets on with it. Major Alenko or Williams doesn't question it, but this flipping Lieutenant, who previously thought you were great won't accept that order without a little argument....?

Then on Mars he gets all fussy again following an order when he's told to go back and guard the shuttle. He's one of the lowest ranks, arguing with a Commander who is also a Spectre cause he wants some action......

Even Traynor, who has never met you, comes on board and gets on with doing the very best she can.

James is just selfish and childish and just wants to fight, how he ever qualified for N7 is beyond me when he cannot follow basic orders and is pouty.

I always thought Jacob was the worst character before ME3 as he was just too bland, but replaying abit now and James is the worst.

Happy to hear dissenting opinions.
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Ka-mai19 May 27, 2021 @ 7:55am 
I actually like James more than Jacob for some of the reasons you mentioned here. Jacob more or less comes across as a "Yes man" to Shepard. As in, he doesn't really challenge Shepard and even when he does it's easy for Shep to pacify him.

James is a lot more passionate about his beliefs and isn't afraid to step out of line to stand up for them. I respect that a hell of a lot more than a generic grunt who will do as I say 90% of the time without question.

James also gives voice to the frustrations many humans should be feeling in those moments: "why are we engaging in a political dance-off with the council when Earth could be destroyed TOMORROW?!" Which makes complete sense to me. Having each and every character be super mature going, "yeah, this is the best course of action" is unrealistic. It's important to have a character that absolutely hates that in order to save Earth you have to "abandon" it in order to gain allies.

This also gives James a better character arc, where he gradually learns to temper his emotions to become a better soldier. Jacob has no arc. He's a good soldier already, so there's nothing for him to improve or change. That to me makes him less interesting than James who has challenges he needs to overcome to improve.
AbedsBrother May 27, 2021 @ 7:57am 
I like James. He's just a straight-up soldier who isn't blinded by the Shepard legends; he's not sure at first if he can actually trust Shepard enough to fight by his side. James' character arc is how he gains that trust, and how Shepard earns it. That's how I see it, anyway.

Watch Mass Effect: Paragon Lost[www.imdb.com]. You might not like James even then, but you'll understand him better.
GlorFindel1983 May 27, 2021 @ 8:03am 
Of the three blandest male companions in ME (Kaidan, Jacob, James), I like James the most!
Jon_Smith May 27, 2021 @ 8:04am 
I've seen Paragon Lost and it doesn't help me like him more.

Its a toss up of who is worse, James or Jacob really. I totally get the 'yes man' criticism.
But I still think James is a childish idiot and I would have kicked him off asap to go fight and die like he wants on a front line somewhere because he rushed in against his commanders orders.

There is a time and place to discuss things, in the heat of a mission is not the place, especially when, like on Mars, there is a Major also standing there with you that you have zero reason to question. Let Kaiden or Ashley keep an eye on Shepard, James you are the grunt, go back to the ship. By not trusting Shep he's not trusting the rest of his commanders.

As I mention, he doesn't have a high rank in the slightest, he behaves waaaay above his station.
Other crew members much more effectively debate issues with you without seeming like a snobby impulsive brat.

I don't think he does a good job of representing people of Earth who are frustrated at doing political dances to get allies. If anything he shows a bad petty inpatient side of humanity we should be growing past.
Jon_Smith May 27, 2021 @ 8:05am 
Originally posted by glorfindel1983:
Of the three blandest male companions in ME (Kaidan, Jacob, James), I like James the most!

Ok, but we agree, he's still pretty trash right? Like bottom of the barrel. Being the best of the worst doesn't mean you like him much.
GlorFindel1983 May 27, 2021 @ 8:08am 
Originally posted by Jon_Smith:
Originally posted by glorfindel1983:
Of the three blandest male companions in ME (Kaidan, Jacob, James), I like James the most!

Ok, but we agree, he's still pretty trash right? Like bottom of the barrel. Being the best of the worst doesn't mean you like him much.

Of course, we agree! He is maybe third worst companion IMHO, second being Kaidan and first Jacob! Close fourth place goes to Zaeed!
Jon_Smith May 27, 2021 @ 8:11am 
Cool, I'm not fussed about us arguing who is the very worst or qwibbling over where they rank.

I just wanted to make sure I'm not the only one thinking his character is a prick when he turns up and just becomes slightly less insufferable when he learns later.
i agree james is an idiot who only see a short term solution OR a no solution at all he want to fight on earth and die there knowing that it wouldn't help anyone to just send more soldier to the meat grinder when EVERYONE is affect and have they own problem, the quarian are in war against the reaper and the geth if shepard didn't intervienne with legion the peace between the 2 wouldn't be possible and you would have to sacrifise either the geth or the quarian ,Cerberus would have destroye anything of the alliance that isn't protected ,we don't know about the samarians , and the asari also got they world invade , same for the turian and the krogan if shepard stayed on earth the cycle would have continue and it would help no one
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orthostatic May 27, 2021 @ 8:13am 
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I have a job for James on Virmire.
5ean5ean May 27, 2021 @ 8:28am 
James gives you Fortification...James has Incindary ammo he can share with the squad.


James can stay on the Normandy.
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The Commendatore (Banned) May 27, 2021 @ 8:36am 
Still better than Ashley.

Jacob is non-existent to me. Conrad Verner has more use than him.
Ka-mai19 May 27, 2021 @ 8:39am 
Originally posted by Jon_Smith:
I've seen Paragon Lost and it doesn't help me like him more.

Its a toss up of who is worse, James or Jacob really. I totally get the 'yes man' criticism.
But I still think James is a childish idiot and I would have kicked him off asap to go fight and die like he wants on a front line somewhere because he rushed in against his commanders orders.

There is a time and place to discuss things, in the heat of a mission is not the place, especially when, like on Mars, there is a Major also standing there with you that you have zero reason to question. Let Kaiden or Ashley keep an eye on Shepard, James you are the grunt, go back to the ship. By not trusting Shep he's not trusting the rest of his commanders.

As I mention, he doesn't have a high rank in the slightest, he behaves waaaay above his station.
Other crew members much more effectively debate issues with you without seeming like a snobby impulsive brat.

I don't think he does a good job of representing people of Earth who are frustrated at doing political dances to get allies. If anything he shows a bad petty inpatient side of humanity we should be growing past.

Again, to me that's what makes him compelling as a character. He's not a generic grunt who does everything he's supposed to do, but he actually challenges you based upon what he wants or believes is best. I appreciate a character like that more than I appreciate a character who will just go, "yes sir, ok sir." the whole game. If James had been like that he'd be as bland as Jacob or worse.

You can check him as well when you talk individually with him if his approach bothers you that much. Like when he calls me, "Loco" my response is, "yeah call me whatever you like, just make sure to remember I'm in command" while other players can go, "It's 'Commander' to you, lieutenant" and enforce rank more explicitly. That to me is a more engaging conversation/interaction than whatever dialogue you get with Jacob.

Even Kaidan/Ashley get more on my nerves than James, and for the wrong reasons. Neither of them believe in Shepard for a good chunk of ME3 even though they do know you better than James. The fact that James stands up for you more than them makes me feel like James has a better read on people than either Ashley/Kaidan.
G_Moneh May 27, 2021 @ 8:45am 
My biggest issue with James is pretty much the refusal to follow orders or listen to Shepard (And Anderson/Hackett who give Shepard Orders) in the beginning.

Like, The Reapers have just invaded Earth just like Shep said and everyone in Earth High Command is like "What can it be that got past our Solar Warning Nets?"........The Reapers. Obviously. You didn't listen to Shepard when he said they were coming and now they're here.

James immediately forgets that Shepard was right when everyone else was wrong about literally everything. He ignores the chain of command and disregards Sheps orders which are in turn Hacketts orders, to get to Mars and investigate.

Sure, James eventually learns to trust Shepard but as an Alliance Soldier refusal to follow Shepard and the Admiral of the Fleet (Hackett) boggles me just like OP.
Arkham99 May 27, 2021 @ 8:53am 
Originally posted by G_Moneh:
My biggest issue with James is pretty much the refusal to follow orders or listen to Shepard (And Anderson/Hackett who give Shepard Orders) in the beginning
to be fair, James really doesn't know what's going on at first... does he even know that Shepard has been reinstated when they leave Earth?... Shepard was under house arrest and next thing he's supposed to abandon Earth and take orders from her?... one minute they're heading for The Citadel and then they reroute to Mars... not to mention that everyone's on edge after the sheer magnitude of the invasion, something that their military training couldn't possibly prepare them for...:-)
Ka-mai19 May 27, 2021 @ 8:54am 
Originally posted by G_Moneh:
My biggest issue with James is pretty much the refusal to follow orders or listen to Shepard (And Anderson/Hackett who give Shepard Orders) in the beginning.

Like, The Reapers have just invaded Earth just like Shep said and everyone in Earth High Command is like "What can it be that got past our Solar Warning Nets?"........The Reapers. Obviously. You didn't listen to Shepard when he said they were coming and now they're here.

James immediately forgets that Shepard was right when everyone else was wrong about literally everything. He ignores the chain of command and disregards Sheps orders which are in turn Hacketts orders, to get to Mars and investigate.

Sure, James eventually learns to trust Shepard but as an Alliance Soldier refusal to follow Shepard and the Admiral of the Fleet (Hackett) boggles me just like OP.

By that logic we should also be annoyed at Shepard for wanting to convince Anderson to join him on the Normandy. Remember that Shepard only agreed to leave Anderson behind after Anderson re-instated him/her and commanded him/her to leave as his/her boss. Prior to that Shepard seemed willing to force the issue as much as he/she could.

On that note, shouldn't we also get annoyed at Anderson for choosing to stay? If Shepard's right, shouldn't Anderson help in the political effort rather than remaining on Earth? He's got more political clout than James, after all.

The issue is that it's an extremely heated moment where being rational is exceptionally difficult. It makes sense for James as the passionate newbie to give in to his emotions rather than to think logically and maturely in that moment.
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