ME 2 (Possible Spoilers) Samara, or her Daughter?

[No' Name]

So, as someone who's only beat ME 1, and 2, once before, I'm wondering, is there a benefit over choosing Samara, or her daughter?

For example. in their story they ask you to essentially choose "Samara" or her daughter ( I forget her name).

The obvious choice seems to be Samara, but what happens when you choose her daughter? Does she join your team, and or, end up in ME 3? Or is siding with Samara's daughter completely pointless?

If she does join your team, do you get special events with her? Is she a somewhat different class than Samara? Or is she just another "Generic" class/character? Much like Kaiden in ME 1, who bores you to death?

[GoreTiger]

The Minted Lady eredeti hozzászólása:

Other than wanting to have the secondary experience, I found it weird that this choice cropped up when it did. What is Shepard's motivation for killing Samara over Morinth after everything Samara's told you about herself and her mission? I guess you could say that Shepard was mind-seduced by Morinth but canonically it doesn't seem to make sense since the only true ending for that route would be dying in bed with her, and we know Shep lives long enough to do the events in ME3.

Depends on how bad your shep is. Samarra is essentually the most purest form of 'justice', A bad shep would want her dead and morinths the perfect person to do it.

[wilky]

I think the other posters already covered this, but I went with Samara on my Paragon playthrough and Morinth on my Renegade playthrough... However, I would say that you really lose out with the Morinth choice, especially when you get to ME3. So if I were to play this game as a Renegade, I would still go for Samara next time. And I would recommend for other Renegade players to go with Samara, too. If you want to see her in ME3 at least (e.g., Citadel DLC, etc.)

[orthostatic]

Outbound eredeti hozzászólása:

Save the game in Morinth's apartment, choose her to unlock Dominate, then reload the save and take Samara. Best choice all around.

Is there another path to get Dominate? I ask because for all my LE shenanigans, I've always killed Morinth in ME2 and yet still have Dominate as an available bonus power. Still have no idea where it came from.

[Outbound]

orthostatic eredeti hozzászólása:

Outbound eredeti hozzászólása:

Save the game in Morinth's apartment, choose her to unlock Dominate, then reload the save and take Samara. Best choice all around.

Is there another path to get Dominate? I ask because for all my LE shenanigans, I've always killed Morinth in ME2 and yet still have Dominate as an available bonus power. Still have no idea where it came from.

There shouldn't be, though when I started ME2 LE on my first playthrough, Flashbang was inexplicably unlocked.

[Baron Von Rattheimer]

GoreTiger eredeti hozzászólása:

The Minted Lady eredeti hozzászólása:

Other than wanting to have the secondary experience, I found it weird that this choice cropped up when it did. What is Shepard's motivation for killing Samara over Morinth after everything Samara's told you about herself and her mission? I guess you could say that Shepard was mind-seduced by Morinth but canonically it doesn't seem to make sense since the only true ending for that route would be dying in bed with her, and we know Shep lives long enough to do the events in ME3.

Depends on how bad your shep is. Samarra is essentually the most purest form of 'justice', A bad shep would want her dead and morinths the perfect person to do it.

Eh, i don't agree.
A renegade shep still wants to get the job done. And i personally would rather have the highly capable person who swore an oath to me to do whatever i tell her to do until the mission is completed, instead of the serial killing sexual predator.
Not to mention, Morinth literally tried to mindrape/kill you moments earlier and only told you she wants to work with you when her life is in danger.

Morinth just simply is not to be trusted and there is very little reason for a shepard of any morality to save her.

[Baron Von Rattheimer]

alexander_dougherty eredeti hozzászólása:

There is no reason to pick Morinth..... she's a killer who views everyone else as prey, forms no emotional attachments, so no loyalty, and is only going with you because she realises Aria T'Loak will kill her if she stays, and every port she goes to has her tagged as an Ardat Yakshi.

She even brags about lovers she's killed (although she doesn't actually say they died) when trying to romance Shepard, she feels no guilt, no remorse and needs to die...

She's pretty much an asari-Ted Bundy. Just without the head collection.

[alexander_dougherty]

LordVonSteiner eredeti hozzászólása:

alexander_dougherty eredeti hozzászólása:

There is no reason to pick Morinth..... she's a killer who views everyone else as prey, forms no emotional attachments, so no loyalty, and is only going with you because she realises Aria T'Loak will kill her if she stays, and every port she goes to has her tagged as an Ardat Yakshi.

She even brags about lovers she's killed (although she doesn't actually say they died) when trying to romance Shepard, she feels no guilt, no remorse and needs to die...

She's pretty much an asari-Ted Bundy. Just without the head collection.

Well not too familiar with that particular...... serial killer (I'm guessing), but yeah in essence she's likely to turn on you.

[GoreTiger]

LordVonSteiner eredeti hozzászólása:

GoreTiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Depends on how bad your shep is. Samarra is essentually the most purest form of 'justice', A bad shep would want her dead and morinths the perfect person to do it.

Eh, i don't agree.
A renegade shep still wants to get the job done. And i personally would rather have the highly capable person who swore an oath to me to do whatever i tell her to do until the mission is completed, instead of the serial killing sexual predator.
Not to mention, Morinth literally tried to mindrape/kill you moments earlier and only told you she wants to work with you when her life is in danger.

Morinth just simply is not to be trusted and there is very little reason for a shepard of any morality to save her.

Think about it this way tho, The moment the collector base is done and that oath is over, Samarra would kill the Renegade shep. At least with Morinth you know she's not going to try and kill you the moment the mission is over, Killing the prey she likes threw battle isn't her style.

[alexander_dougherty]

GoreTiger eredeti hozzászólása:

LordVonSteiner eredeti hozzászólása:

Eh, i don't agree.
A renegade shep still wants to get the job done. And i personally would rather have the highly capable person who swore an oath to me to do whatever i tell her to do until the mission is completed, instead of the serial killing sexual predator.
Not to mention, Morinth literally tried to mindrape/kill you moments earlier and only told you she wants to work with you when her life is in danger.

Morinth just simply is not to be trusted and there is very little reason for a shepard of any morality to save her.

Think about it this way tho, The moment the collector base is done and that oath is over, Samarra would kill the Renegade shep.

The way she phrases it she will only kill you if you make her do something dishonourable.... what exactly have you made her do?

[GoreTiger]

alexander_dougherty eredeti hozzászólása:

GoreTiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Think about it this way tho, The moment the collector base is done and that oath is over, Samarra would kill the Renegade shep.

The way she phrases it she will only kill you if you make her do something dishonourable.... what exactly have you made her do?

I mean the way she words that makes it sound like she's referring to shep trying to get her to be dishonourable while under oath. Once the oath is complete, All bets are off due to her code.

[Kunyomi]

I agree the way she's 'Handled' in ME3 is very underwhelming. Just about anything would have been better than 'named Banshee'. Some people who actually go down that route might not even notice the name if they're busy trying to not get killed by a Banshee (Unless there is some kind of dialogue? I doubt it.)

You can read some of Morinths letters to her sisters on the Shadow Broker Terminal in ME2 and it is clear she does care about them, even if the feeling isn't mutual.
An interesting way to have her appear in ME3 could have been her showing up in the Monastery and sacrifice herself for one of the sisters like already happens.
Not in a 180 personality redemption moment, but rather because she knows the reapers got to her and would rather go down with a bang than turn into the monsters you get introduced to in the same mission.

Or, if you don't bother doing the mission, then have her show up as a Banshee as normal.

[Drowan]

As a pure Renegade player this choice just doesn't make sense. This is the only choice Renegade Shepard would kill their own companion because... No clue. Sure, both Samara and Morinth kill innocents on their way to accomplish their goals, but Shepard is capable and knows how to kill Samara if they have to. This choice is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and is just there because hell why not. Samara at least doesn't kill innocents for pleasure.

Even as renegade I always pick to save Samara. This isn't about Paragon or Renegade to me, this is about being stupid or not.

[Champ Paper]

Another way to look at killing Samara is you spare her from having to take the life of her most beloved daughter. Picking Morinth is putting Samara out of her misery. Sure, Samara will be loyal to Shep and focused on the mission, but she will be haunted for the rest of her long life by killing her daughter.

I'm not saying that Morinth deserves to live more than Samara. More so that the Justicar needs to rest and also Morinth gets her karma later on anyway.

[Canadian Ninja]

Nord Supreme eredeti hozzászólása:

Another way to look at killing Samara is you spare her from having to take the life of her most beloved daughter. Picking Morinth is putting Samara out of her misery. Sure, Samara will be loyal to Shep and focused on the mission, but she will be haunted for the rest of her long life by killing her daughter.

I'm not saying that Morinth deserves to live more than Samara. More so that the Justicar needs to rest and also Morinth gets her karma later on anyway.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is this logic. You don't murder someone so that they don't feel bad about euthanizing their serial killer child.

[Outbound]

Canadian Ninja eredeti hozzászólása:

Nord Supreme eredeti hozzászólása:

Another way to look at killing Samara is you spare her from having to take the life of her most beloved daughter. Picking Morinth is putting Samara out of her misery. Sure, Samara will be loyal to Shep and focused on the mission, but she will be haunted for the rest of her long life by killing her daughter.

I'm not saying that Morinth deserves to live more than Samara. More so that the Justicar needs to rest and also Morinth gets her karma later on anyway.

What the ♥♥♥♥ is this logic. You don't murder someone so that they don't feel bad about euthanizing their adult child.

Who's a serial killer.