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pjedilord 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 10:42
Did Saren Have Purpose In Mass Effect?
Saren have purpose wanted to control the old machines or was he power mad or
just crazy? Why did he think he get his way with Sovereign?
How could he not see he was not wrong? When was he indoc?
People like Saren meet Sovereign and get worst due to Saren dangerous ideals?
So Saren just wanted proper power?
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Mikey 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:07 
1. He was xenophobic, believing that humans were inferior and should be wiped out. Sovereign was his chance at doing so.
2. Noone had ever told him about a living machine entity called Sovereign that might definately make him do it's bidding, so how was he supposed to anticipate it's sudden but inevitable betrayal?
3. Was that double negative intentional? Because he was definately wrong... and indoctrinated.
4. He was introduced to Sovereign through the Geth and stayed aboard it. He was likely indoctrinated shortly there after but only superficially as indoctrination diminishes the victims cognitive skills (they get dumber). Sovereign used Saren's power trip to control him up until Shepard started messing with their plans.
5. Yeah, basically.
6. He wanted power, Sovereign dangled the proverbial power carrot in front of his nose. Match made in Mass Effect.
pjedilord 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:20 
Seems odd Saren would trust the geth?
Mr. Bufferlow 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:45 
The indoctrination was subtle but Sovereign finally "convinced" Saren that the Reapers were unstoppable and his best bet was to work with them and be spared.

Pretty clear that being spared was limited to usefulness. It is shown in later lore that the destruction of intelligent, mass effect using, races could take centuries to complete. So, Sovereign may have been truthful that Saren would get to live out a lifetime.
Xautos 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:51 
Saren distrusted Humans because the relay 314 incident and also because of Jack Harper, Eva Core and what happened to his brother on Palaven when a piece of reaper tech was discovered. In effect Saren is carrying out a revenge mission that got out of hand. It was made even more complicated with his history with David Anderson who was also trying to become a SPECTRE and instead set him up to fail.

He unintentionally hated humanity for a string of incidents and when he got access to Nazara after the Blue suns made a number of mistakes which Saren jumped on. Along the way he met and used Kaylee Sanders and intentional failed David Anderson when he was being evaluated as a SPECTRE on the same mission, it was also a way to get the council and David off his back as well.

Saren wanted to use the Reaper as a weapon but instead found himself as a thrall under its control. His original purpose since cleansed from him and he knew it.
alexander_dougherty 2021 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:58 
引用自 Mikey
4. He was introduced to Sovereign through the Geth and stayed aboard it. He was likely indoctrinated shortly there after but only superficially as indoctrination diminishes the victims cognitive skills (they get dumber). Sovereign used Saren's power trip to control him up until Shepard started messing with their plans.
Um.... no.
The Geth went with Saren because he had Sovereign.... therefore they could not have shown him where it was. I don't know how he found Sovereign, but it was definitely before he went to the Geth.
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Xautos 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 12:03 
引用自 alexander_dougherty
引用自 Mikey
4. He was introduced to Sovereign through the Geth and stayed aboard it. He was likely indoctrinated shortly there after but only superficially as indoctrination diminishes the victims cognitive skills (they get dumber). Sovereign used Saren's power trip to control him up until Shepard started messing with their plans.
Um.... no.
The Geth went with Saren because he had Sovereign.... therefore they could not have shown him where it was. I don't know how he found Sovereign, but it was definitely before he went to the geth.

These Geth heretics were a small band that chose to leave Geth consensus because they chose to believe that Nazara was the apex of mechanical life, these heretic believed Nazara to be a god and as is the case with the easily impressed; all too easily manipulated believing a lie. In truth Nazara resented the Geth presence and their fawning over it, but the reaper needed their strength to reach the Citadel and after that, it can quickly destroy them when the connection to dark space was made.
最後修改者:Xautos; 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 12:03
alexander_dougherty 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 12:07 
引用自 Xautos
引用自 alexander_dougherty
Um.... no.
The Geth went with Saren because he had Sovereign.... therefore they could not have shown him where it was. I don't know how he found Sovereign, but it was definitely before he went to the Geth.

These Geth heretics were a small band that chose to leave Geth consensus because they chose to believe that Nazara was the apex of mechanical life, these heretic believed Nazara to be a god and as is the case with the easily impressed; all too easily manipulated believing a lie. In truth Nazara resented the Geth presence and their fawning over it, but the reaper needed their strength to reach the Citadel and after that, it can quickly destroy them when the connection to dark space was made.
Yes, but the point is Saren approached them in Sovereign, if he had approached them in a normal ship they wouldn't have listened to him.... Probably would have killed him.

From the comments in the mass effect trilogy it's clear that he found Sovereign before he approached the Geth
Xautos 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 alexander_dougherty
引用自 Xautos

These Geth heretics were a small band that chose to leave Geth consensus because they chose to believe that Nazara was the apex of mechanical life, these heretic believed Nazara to be a god and as is the case with the easily impressed; all too easily manipulated believing a lie. In truth Nazara resented the Geth presence and their fawning over it, but the reaper needed their strength to reach the Citadel and after that, it can quickly destroy them when the connection to dark space was made.
Yes, but the point is Saren approached them in Sovereign, if he had approached them in a normal ship they wouldn't have listened to him.... Probably would have killed him.

From the comments in the mass effect trilogy it's clear that he found Sovereign before he approached the Geth

Which was the icing on the cake to the lie for the easily impressed.
pjedilord 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 3:44 
Thanks people interesting.
N7_Shadow 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 5:14 
引用自 pjedilord
Saren have purpose wanted to control the old machines or was he power mad or
just crazy? Why did he think he get his way with Sovereign?
How could he not see he was not wrong? When was he indoc?
People like Saren meet Sovereign and get worst due to Saren dangerous ideals?
So Saren just wanted proper power?

As I understand it, Saren was indoctrinated, even if just a little bit, initially. He was encouraged to believe that submitting to the Reapers was the only viable course for survival.
Black Hole 2021 年 7 月 14 日 下午 9:45 
He was a bad guy from the beginning, a racist bigot who did whatever he could to hurt the human cause.

I dont really see redemption in him considering he murdered a ton of humans just to keep them out of spectors.

He really wasn't that complicated but for the time was a decent villain who lost his way before he became indoctrinated it's not like he would help you even if he survived he would consider you a threat no matter what.

Either way he had to go as Garrus said he is too dangerous to keep alive.
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