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spittlebug Jul 5, 2021 @ 4:07am
Stupid Geth.
Ok so Legion is always crying about how the creators are killing them. You know all they have to do to make peace with the Quarians is give them back Rannoch. I mean the Geth can live on any world they want, they don't even need atmosphere. All this fighting is over Rannoch, just give it up and move somewhere else. Sorry Legion I am not buying the whole woe is me thing anymore.
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You really didn't pay attention did you.... several of the Admiral's keep trying to control the Geth, they are not going to say "Oh look we have our homeworld back, lets ignore the Geth" they will continue to try to turn them back into slaves....

They even bring along all their civillians in the last attempt, these are not the actions of a rational group.
GlorFindel1983 Jul 5, 2021 @ 4:48am 
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
You really didn't pay attention did you.... several of the Admiral's keep trying to control the Geth, they are not going to say "Oh look we have our homeworld back, lets ignore the Geth" they will continue to try to turn them back into slaves....

They even bring along all their civillians in the last attempt, these are not the actions of a rational group.

Yes, you are quite right! No matter how much I like Tali and romance her in many playthroughs, if there was no option to make peace and save both Geth and Quarians, I would choose Geth every time!
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Garatgh Deloi Jul 5, 2021 @ 4:54am 
In addition to what has already been said, Rannoch is the Geth's home world as well.

Let's say there was another planet that we could relocate humanity to and humanity was in some sort of conflict over Earth (maybe some xeno empire is claiming it, whatever), humanity sure as hell wouldn't be willing to give up on Earth simply because they have other options. Now sure Geth are rather alien so they think differently then humans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they place no value on their "home world" as a concept.

And that is not even considering the ridicules cost of relocating a species (even one like the Geth that would likely be much easier to relocate then a organic species). Nor how much might be lost during said relocation (its likely highly unfeasible to be able to bring everything with them).

And then we get into how such a huge project would place the Geth in a vulnerable position and the fact that the Quarians have NEVER avoided conflict with the Geth when they thought they could win.
Last edited by Garatgh Deloi; Jul 5, 2021 @ 5:01am
Mati_Lublin Jul 5, 2021 @ 6:12am 
This again...?
The Commendatore (Banned) Jul 5, 2021 @ 6:37am 
More like "Stupid Quarians".

They'll just continue their genocidal campaign against the Geth, or if they're destroyed, make new AI and start the cycle all over again.
Quarian fleet is definitely stupid.

"Ok, we have a foolproof plan to reprogramme the Geth, and to prove it's foolproof we'll bring the barely armed Civillian ships.... well yes we have tried something very similar hundreds of times before, but it's not like the Geth could have taken some basic precautions against THIS plan......"

In fact the dumbest thing they do is keep Han'Gerel as an Admiral... he's an absolute idiot. He pus the Civillian fleet at risk, ignores obvious dangers, and has little or no grasp of Discipline, Tactics or Strategy.... If it had been an option I would have shot him in ME3... I know you are trying to recruit the Quarians, but any force with Han'Gerel in a position of authority isn't worth the hassle.

Once again, if it had been an option I would have shot Han'Gerel in ME3, and what's more I would do it now in a heartbeat.
Alfon Jul 5, 2021 @ 8:56am 
The battle was always against the Geth, not to get Rannock back... even if the quarians pretend otherwise. And you know, we are watching the "kind" side of the Geth... even after fighting them many times... we need to remember that the geth DECIMATED the quarians to an incredible degree. We are talking of the entire population of a planet, thousands of millions, reduced to something around 20 millions of people. The quarians were almost completely annihilated.

I mean, how do you get over a scar like that? My country lived a civil war around 80 years ago and the society is still traumatized, the would is still open after almost a century... and we lost around 700.000 people from a total of around 25 million people (back then).

Imagine losing almost everyone... it's the apocalypse. Quarians experienced the apocalypse. Only a bunch of them escaped alive. The geth didn't pursue out of Rannoch but the quarians didn't expect that. They probably expected to be completely removed if they tried to flee. But in a last act of desperation they did it. It kind of puts in perspective their debates about going to war against the geth or not. The geth are a HUGE menace from their point of view. They are socially traumatized beyond the imagination of anyone.

So, if the quarians take back their world, they will still go against the geth. And the geth know that.
n#n#m# Jul 5, 2021 @ 9:14am 
Originally posted by Sorenzor:
we need to remember that the geth DECIMATED the quarians to an incredible degree.
Yeah, but before that quarians were killing other quarians who sheltered geth and I don't think that occurrences like these were rare. I'd say they were quite capable of decimating their own species even w/o war.
Alfon Jul 5, 2021 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by young person online:
Originally posted by Sorenzor:
we need to remember that the geth DECIMATED the quarians to an incredible degree.
Yeah, but before that quarians were killing other quarians who sheltered geth and I don't think that occurrences like these were rare. I'd say they were quite capable of decimating their own species even w/o war.

A hypothesis, we don't know the numbers but there wasn't a civil war between the quarians. There were some policial violence, for all we know. That doesn't kill thousands of millions of people.

I just saw Animatrix, the second renaissance. Imagine that for the quarians...
Originally posted by Sorenzor:
They are socially traumatized beyond the imagination of anyone.
Those events occurred three hundred years ago, they can not claim to be traumatised, it has been dozens of generations since anyone experience anything traumatising.
Garatgh Deloi Jul 5, 2021 @ 11:19am 
Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:
Those events occurred three hundred years ago, they can not claim to be traumatised, it has been dozens of generations since anyone experience anything traumatising.

That would be personal trauma, i think he means more of a cultural trauma. As in a traumatic event that effected and continues to effect their culture as a whole.
AndrewRyan Jul 5, 2021 @ 11:29am 
Legion followed in Shepards footsteps, he fixed himself with Shepards armor out of sentimental respect and admiration, the geth prove more than once that they are more reasonable than their creators and they willingly help them rebuild their planet after game 3...... so no, im not falling for that "love the quarians" bs anymore - if i didnt prefer to save as many lives as possible id let them end their own struggle by throwing themselves on the proverbial geth spear
Originally posted by AndrewRyan:
Legion followed in Shepards footsteps, he fixed himself with Shepards armor out of sentimental respect and admiration, the geth prove more than once that they are more reasonable than their creators and they willingly help them rebuild their planet after game 3...... so no, im not falling for that "love the quarians" bs anymore - if i didnt prefer to save as many lives as possible id let them end their own struggle by throwing themselves on the proverbial geth spear
Exactly.

The Quarians have to be told the Geth are returning to full strength to stop them from engaging in a suicidal attack... As a culture/species they simply aren't worth saving... individual Quarians, like Tali are worth saving though....

Han'Gerel is the worst of the lot, but too many are idiots not worth the hassle.
HouseOfTheRat Jul 5, 2021 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by spittlebug:
Ok so Legion is always crying about how the creators are killing them. You know all they have to do to make peace with the Quarians is give them back Rannoch. I mean the Geth can live on any world they want, they don't even need atmosphere. All this fighting is over Rannoch, just give it up and move somewhere else. Sorry Legion I am not buying the whole woe is me thing anymore.

Remember that Legion sees himself as special because he is many programs in one platform, having his own mini-consensus - which is a big deal for the geth. This is why he is imitating organics, and Shepard specifically. Depending on how you play your Shepard, Legion is either the first proper "living" geth or an even more delusional robot than the rest of them.

That said, it is true that the geth are the ones who want to genocide the quarians - that is literally their programming. They have no other reason to exist and they certainly don't need to occupy planets other than to fight organics. The quarians just want their world back and they want to fix their mistake that had consequences for the entire galaxy - remember that geth are attacking everyone now. Also the geth allied with the reapers.

What is also true is that Mass Effect lore doesn't exactly stand up to scrutiny. Whichever perspective you want to take there will always be huge holes. so there is that. Some story choices lead to massive in-game plot holes: if you support the quarians, it doesn't make sense that the geth fleet you are fighting is literally all the geth in the galaxy. Or if you don't have Legion in ME3 you get the geth VI instead which really screws up the story.

Just go with the flow and don't think about it too much. ME was always space opera rather than sci fi, and ME3 especially is way more about feels than a story that makes sense.
Garatgh Deloi Jul 5, 2021 @ 1:48pm 
Originally posted by 2021:
Remember that Legion sees himself as special because he is many programs in one platform, having his own mini-consensus - which is a big deal for the geth. This is why he is imitating organics, and Shepard specifically. Depending on how you play your Shepard, Legion is either the first proper "living" geth or an even more delusional robot than the rest of them.

Every Geth platform has many Geth programs in one platform. Legions platform just has space for more programs then usual, that's it.

A single Geth program by itself isn't anywhere close to a actual AI, they become smarter by having many programs interacting with each other (kinda the reason the Quarians didn't know they were creating AI since they underestimated their creations ability to cooperate).

Originally posted by 2021:
That said, it is true that the geth are the ones who want to genocide the quarians - that is literally their programming.

No they weren't created for war, they were filling the role of workers so war is not their programming but rather a decision they had to make to protect themselves. Also they had the opportunity to exterminate the Quarians but choose not to, kinda throws a wrench into the "wants to genocide the Quarians" statement.

Originally posted by 2021:
They have no other reason to exist and they certainly don't need to occupy planets other than to fight organics.

The same is true for organics, we hardly have a proven reason for existence and at least in the mass effect universe we can live on space stations or space ships.

Originally posted by 2021:
The quarians just want their world back

Making it sound like its not the Geth's world too. Its quite literally their world of birth, their home world.

Originally posted by 2021:
and they want to fix their mistake that had consequences for the entire galaxy - remember that geth are attacking everyone now. Also the geth allied with the reapers.

Out of desperation in mass effect 3, any race would do stupid decisions when faced with a high possibility of extermination.

And its not like the Reapers haven't used organic species the same way (the Rachni for example).

I mean if Reapers can indoctrinate organics its not beyond reason that they would have a even easier time influencing synthetic life.
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