Mass effect 3: Diana Allers should have been Emily Wong

[Alfon]

Or even Kalisa Al-jalani or however she is called. But at least the punchable reporter appears in ME3. Emily Wong doesn't. People say she dies dramatically at some point of the reaper invasion, maybe her death is talked or she appears in the news, I didn't see her at all.

But this is the thing, when you replay the games you really feel good when you find again old characters. And Emily Wong was very likable. Having her on my vessel, maybe having a romance with her (like you can do with Diana Allers) would have been VERY interesting... because you have some history with her. You helped her starting her career.

Instead we have Diana Allers... she is boring and useless and I don't even like the actress, I think she is in a much lower level of talent compared to other actors like Shepard's.

I don't know. Just saying. What do you think?

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jon_Smith:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

Jessica Chobot not deserving the job . It's 2021...attractive women can do things. She has a very distinct voice and personality...thats why she was hired. Maybe one day people can stop thinking women get opportunities bc of nefarious means.

So let me be clear, I in no way have an issue with the character being a woman, some of the strongest voice actresses in the game are women.

The reason people think its nepotism that she was placed in the game is because we have such amazing VA talent compared to her.
I mean look at Aria T'Loak, Carrie Moss absolutely nails it.
Tali's VA is amazing in ME2 and ME3 in particular.

I could keep naming the amazing women who's talents in the game stood out.
If they added a male character with a low quality VA I'd think the exact same thing, it has nothing to do with her gender.
Since she clearly wasn't hired on her VA talent, what other reason should be considered besides nepotism (either pandering to IGN or to her personally).

So your comparing Aria TlLoak and Tali to Diana Allers?

Her only purpose in the game is to ask Shepard questions. Stop acting like those charcters are on the same level I'm terms of the plot.

So you said someone at Bioware thought she hot and that's why she was hired. So let's stop pretending this is about her voice acting already. It's time to grow up.

Bioware wanted her voice and likeness...thats why she was hired.

[Jon_Smith]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

So your comparing Aria TlLoak and Tali to Diana Allers?

Her only purpose in the game is to ask Shepard questions. Stop acting like those charcters are on the same level I'm terms of the plot.

So you said someone at Bioware thought she hot and that's why she was hired. So let's stop pretending this is about her voice acting already. It's time to grow up.

Bioware wanted her voice and likeness...thats why she was hired.

Well she clearly wasn't hired for just her acting ability, since they modelled her body aswell.....
Back in 2012 that kind of sexist nepotism was very widespread, its not unreasonable to assume Bioware did it. But if you notice I actually suggested pandering to IGN as a first cause.

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jon_Smith:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

So your comparing Aria TlLoak and Tali to Diana Allers?

Her only purpose in the game is to ask Shepard questions. Stop acting like those charcters are on the same level I'm terms of the plot.

So you said someone at Bioware thought she hot and that's why she was hired. So let's stop pretending this is about her voice acting already. It's time to grow up.

Bioware wanted her voice and likeness...thats why she was hired.

Well she clearly wasn't hired for just her acting ability, since they modelled her body aswell.....
Back in 2012 that kind of sexist nepotism was very widespread, its not unreasonable to assume Bioware did it. But if you notice I actually suggested pandering to IGN as a first cause.

You do know games and publishers would give IGN money to advertise thier game directly on the website. And you think hiring Chobot is more effective than giving them money.

Its clear that Chobot was popular and Bioware wanted her in the game as a result of that popularity. It's not rocket science. At the end of the end of the day video games make money. Jessica Chobot brings in more gamers. This is how the real world works. She isn't commander Shepard, she is a minor NPC. There's not reason to hate on her. Was she suppose to say no when one of the best game studios asks you to be in their game.

[Ogami]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

She isn't commander Shepard, she is a minor NPC. There's not reason to hate on her.

Yes there is. She is a crap character that adds nothing to the game, has terrible voice acting compared to everyone else, her character model looks like it belongs in some cheap 3D porn game and she was only shoehorned in for promotional deals with IGN.
Thats reason enough to not like the character.

If you like her thats fine but having Emily Wong fill the same role would have been FAR superior in all regards.
Hell, she was usually voted most disliked Mass Effect 3 character right after the star child and Kai Leng around 2012.
Barely anyone could stand that character at release and BIOWARE were called out for including her left and right.

[5ean5ean]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ogami:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

She isn't commander Shepard, she is a minor NPC. There's not reason to hate on her.

Yes there is. She is a crap character that adds nothing to the game, has terrible voice acting compared to everyone else, her character model looks like it belongs in some cheap 3D porn game and she was only shoehorned in for promotional deals with IGN.
Thats reason enough to not like the character.

If you like her thats fine but having Emily Wong fill the same role would have been FAR superior in all regards.
Hell, she was voted most disliked Mass Effect 3 character right after the star child in 2012.
Barely anyone could stand that character at release and BIOWARE were called out for including her left and right.

I'm sorry but the opinion of Mass Effect fans back then really doesn't mean anything since it's was one of the most toxic fanbases in all of gaming. It's the same people who will yell at you for liking the Synthesis ending over Destroy.

It's not about liking people. It's about the cringe of people taking trivial things way too seriously. And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how any of what you just did is her fault. I dont like Ashley..... Im not going to sit here and say she shouldn't be in game or "It should have been Jenkins." But hey.....its cancel culture.

[Foxador]

I don't think she's THAT bad. For one she's totally optional and you can just not talk to her and she'll die off screen. Second she hardly needs you to talk to her at all if you do decide to take her along.

While I don't think her voice work is the best, I don't hate her. On the other hand I do hate Kai Leng yet think his voice work was pretty good.

For me the pandering goes to Ashley who goes from homely to all dressed up in make up and got some body augments. During the two year time jump from ME1-2 she doesn't change but in the couple months from ME2-3 she changes drastically

[Jon_Smith]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 5ean5ean:

You do know games and publishers would give IGN money to advertise thier game directly on the website. And you think hiring Chobot is more effective than giving them money.

Its clear that Chobot was popular and Bioware wanted her in the game as a result of that popularity. It's not rocket science. At the end of the end of the day video games make money. Jessica Chobot brings in more gamers. This is how the real world works. She isn't commander Shepard, she is a minor NPC. There's not reason to hate on her. Was she suppose to say no when one of the best game studios asks you to be in their game.

Yeah, I'm well aware they give those game companies money, and I'm saying its worse when they break the game immersion and put it directly in the game. It'd be like getting onto the Citadel and there was a full advert for Coca Cola. It would be out of place and annoying.

You talk about hating on her, again when did I do that. I said shes a bad voice actor because thats not her job. Thats just matter of fact.
You're the one jumping to conclusions and being toxic here.
Pointing out that it was likely pandering to IGN at best, or some sort of simping by a developer at worst isn't hating on her, saying it seems like a bad voice actress is because thats not her job usually isn't hating on her.
I didn't say she should be removed or whatever, I said at least you can ignore her quickly.

Having adverts for something in a game is ♥♥♥♥, having product placements in a game is ♥♥♥♥, having shoehorned in characters to do the same as product placement for a review company is ♥♥♥♥.
Stop trying to conflate this with sexism, there was literally none of that. You just look you are making a strawman and trying to white knight.


I think it bears pointing out aswell, you said earlier 'its 2021, come on'.
Well I think its rather dismissive of the issues many women still face to assume women are no longer hired based on their looks or sex appeal rather than their skills and how to many they are viewed as sex objects, especially around gamers, which is still exploited. And its fine to critique that and blame a company for doing it, without shaming the woman involved.

Some recent examples, that new Resident Evil game, I've never played the series, I just know the devs chose to put up some tall zombie woman with huge breasts that everyone went crazy over cause apparently zombies are sexy now.....?
I don't watch Twitch but I am aware of the news going on there about 'hot tub streams' and the issues female gamers have on there because of the many presenters basically doing softcore porn on it to the point they had to ban hot tub streams and now that group has gone onto the 'ASMR' category. They are licking microphones and grinding up against them and bouncing up and down to simulate a sexual act.
Do not pretend the gaming space does not have instances of women being exploited or exploiting their sexuality just cause its 2021.

If anything, why are you assuming that if we say its pandering to IGN that we are sexist to her? Maybe we are annoyed that rather than hiring a talented, female, voice actor, they instead chose to plop in one of their 'sexy' presenters who cannot act?

[Alfon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr.Abscondus:

Kalisa the bint would be hilarious, and why does nobody know what bint means? Really sad. I blame the schools.

Probably most of us are not native english speakers. I am bilingüist but I still lack a lot of vocabulary and my grammar trembles when I talk a lot without stopping to read my words (most of the time).

The other day one of my kids asked me about some words and I had no idea about their meaning... they were british words. Today most of the english influence comes from America.

[alexander_dougherty]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sorenzor:

The other day one of my kids asked me about some words and I had no idea about their meaning... they were british words. Today most of the english influence comes from America.

What words or phrase, as a Brit I might know the meaning and derivation... especially derivation as there is a lot of misinformation out there.

[Alfon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von alexander_dougherty:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sorenzor:

The other day one of my kids asked me about some words and I had no idea about their meaning... they were british words. Today most of the english influence comes from America.

What words or phrase, as a Brit I might know the meaning and derivation... especially derivation as there is a lot of misinformation out there.

Thanks a lot but you don't have to worry, google is our friend XD. But I felt shocked to be honest to have a 14 year old kid asking me for words that I had never heard. One of them that I remember was "Lorry" for example... a word for truck apparently, I had never listened before. Lorry. You will never go to bed without learning something new.

[The Commendatore]

She only got into the game because she licked a game case. Beyond that, I would've had less issue with her character if it wasn't modeled after her in the first place because it takes me out of the ME universe seeing an IGN person in-game.

Anyway OT: I agree. I would've taken Emily Wong over her any day. Even though they killed her off, at least she went out with a bang clapping a Reaper.

[DivisionJay]

Jessica did a good job but I agree it should have been Emily Wong or Kalisa Al-jalani, provided you didn't punch her in the first two games.

[AbedsBrother]

Originally, the plan was for Emily Wong and Khalisah Al-Jilani to uncover a Cerberus plot on the Citadel, and they would have been heavily involved in helping Shepard when Cerberus tried to take the Citadel. There's even a message from Al-Jilani that plays over the Public Address system on the Citadel in the background of that mission if you listen closely. The game's narrative got re-structured, and Wong + Al-Jilani's involvement was cut from the game.

Al-Jilani obv still has an encounter with Shepard where he can punch her (again), but Wong doesn't appear anywhere else.

Also, Chobot was terrible in the game. Her voice was flat and boring. This isn't some attack on women. Almost everyone who reviewed ME3 at the time - including main-stream YouTubers like AngryJoe - said the same thing (tho not IGN o/c). Stop trying to make every criticism into a political / sexist / hate-focused hit-job.

Recruiting Allers isn't required, anyway. You'll lose a few war assets if you don't, but not enough to matter if you do some side-quests.

[Jon_Smith]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AbedsBrother:

Also, Chobot was terrible in the game. Her voice was flat and boring. This isn't some attack on women. Almost everyone who reviewed ME3 at the time - including main-stream YouTubers like AngryJoe - said the same thing (tho not IGN o/c). Stop trying to make every criticism into a political / sexist / hate-focused hit-job.

Recruiting Allers isn't required, anyway. You'll lose a few war assets if you don't, but not enough to matter if you do some side-quests.

This is genuinely how bizarre and shallow some people see sexism, that ever criticising a woman is a bad thing. I didn't want a man to take her role. I wanted talented voice actresses who worked hard and had been with the game since the beginning to get front and centre like that.
Had Chobot been given a role that couldn't have been filled by an existing character, ok, whatever, fine, but she literally took an opportunity from another character in the game.
Saying we want substance over sex appeal and pandering isn't sexist.

[5ean5ean]

There's a difference between criticism and assuming people get job

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jon_Smith:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AbedsBrother:

Also, Chobot was terrible in the game. Her voice was flat and boring. This isn't some attack on women. Almost everyone who reviewed ME3 at the time - including main-stream YouTubers like AngryJoe - said the same thing (tho not IGN o/c). Stop trying to make every criticism into a political / sexist / hate-focused hit-job.

Recruiting Allers isn't required, anyway. You'll lose a few war assets if you don't, but not enough to matter if you do some side-quests.

This is genuinely how bizarre and shallow some people see sexism, that ever criticising a woman is a bad thing. I didn't want a man to take her role. I wanted talented voice actresses who worked hard and had been with the game since the beginning to get front and centre like that.
Had Chobot been given a role that couldn't have been filled by an existing character, ok, whatever, fine, but she literally took an opportunity from another character in the game.
Saying we want substance over sex appeal and pandering isn't sexist.

There's a difference between criticism and assuming women get jobs based on thier looks.

Plus this is typical cancel culture. You found things outside of the game to find offense with and want someone replaced. Only thing missing is the change.org petition.....which probably exists somewhere.

It's cringe. People need to get real problems and not take video games too seriously. She's a minor charcter...deal with it.