ME2: How can I get rid of Cerberus?

[AC-Darth]

I know that the majority of the community loves Mass Effect 2. I don't. I actually dislike it because of its story and the missing RPG elements from the first game.

I don't want to start a fight and hope that we can have a friendly discussion.

There will be spoilers!




Cerberus in Mass Effect 1 did some really horrible things. Feeding Alliance soldiers to thresher maws, rachni and thorian creepers. They also killed Admiral Kahoku and turned an entire colony into husks.

My paragon Shepard would never work with cerberus yet I am forced to do so in Mass Effect 2. I usually play my Shepard exactly the same in every playthrough (on Xbox). I never experiment with other option after I found out how to get the best endings.

But now after I just finished ME1 again I dread playing ME2 again. There are just two Squadmembers that I like. Garrus and Tali. As well as one DLC that I like. It's called Arrival.

That alone can't carry the game for me. But I want to keep playing.

So I thought I would like to try something new to keep me entertained. Is there a way to kill the entire Cerberus crew as well as Miranda and Jacob while everyone else survives?

It would be interesting to see how that would effect Mass Effect 3.

[Kunyomi]

https://imgur.com/nJPAc here is the flowchart for the mission, seems there's several ways to assassinate specific team members

[Champ Paper]

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No.. Miranda will get someone else killed in that role... take her with you to the final boss or have her escort Chakwas. It's your best shot

Am I right in assuming that she has very strong plot armor?

She has the strongest plot armor aside from Shep. Miranda is the only one that is scripted to survive a wound that would kill anyone else during the mission. She also can't be killed by a lack of ship upgrades. You have to be very methodical on how you eliminate her.

[GlorFindel1983]

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Am I right in assuming that she has very strong plot armor?

She has the strongest plot armor aside from Shep. Miranda is the only one that is scripted to survive a wound that would kill anyone else during the mission. She also can't be killed by a lack of ship upgrades. You have to be very methodical on how you eliminate her.

You can have her killed very easy in first part; just send her into the vents! She dies 100%!

[Aenno]

Samara is also pure Paragon and not Cerberus, so she should be your "third" surviving squad mate, just so you have some failure leverage.

what.

[Six of Saturn]

Sole Survivors that met Corporal Toombs would have killed Jacob and Miranda then take that shuttle to the nearest Alliance outpost.

[Champ Paper]

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She has the strongest plot armor aside from Shep. Miranda is the only one that is scripted to survive a wound that would kill anyone else during the mission. She also can't be killed by a lack of ship upgrades. You have to be very methodical on how you eliminate her.

You can have her killed very easy in first part; just send her into the vents! She dies 100%!

That's not an option. Nice try though. :p

[Hartford688]

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Quoting wiki:
"In the immediate aftermath you learn that the entire crew except for Joker had been abducted. You are now at a major decision point: either head to the Omega 4 Relay immediately, or finish any remaining assignments. If you choose to go immediately, i.e. without completing any missions or assignments, you will save the entire crew. If you do 1 to 3 assignments, you will lose half the crew, including Kelly Chambers. If you do 4 or more assignments, you will lose the entire crew except for Doctor Chakwas."

I stand corrected! Though I generally only do Legion's loyalty mission after IFF and then go immediately after the crew, so I have zero personal experience. Even my Renegades won't wait to get their crew back.

[Aenno]

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I stand corrected! Though I generally only do Legion's loyalty mission after IFF and then go immediately after the crew, so I have zero personal experience. Even my Renegades won't wait to get their crew back.

It's not about IFF mission, but collector abduction. There is some weird mechanics when exactly that IFF would be installed (depends on number of unfulfilled missions, I believe, but don't cite me); so, until you don't have that cutscene about "shuttle for the next mission" and abduction sequence, you can do whatever you want.
After that, numbers above.

[Miyu]

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Did you listen to the logs in ME3, the ones in the Illusive Man's base?

If you did you would find out the entire crew of the Normandy is selected to give you a good impression of Cerberus, this means THEY ARE ALL GOOD GUYS. None of them have ever done anything dodgy, they all think Cerberus is doing good things for Humanity and the bad things they hear about are either lies or rogue cells.

Miranda is the only one with enough clearance to know most of the news stories are true... well maybe Jacob, but he's a soldier who did all his dodgy stuff while in service with the alliance, he's only done good PR stuff since joining Cerberus.

Ok. I must have missed or forgotten about those logs.

That makes things even more tragic. How can they be so oblivious to the truth about cerberus.

So if Miranda is the only one with enough clearance than is she the only bad guy aboard the SR-2?

I have to admit. I always just rushed through ME2 and may have missed a lot. All I saw was Cerberus and I was out.

I was so relieved that Shepard was back with the Alliance in ME3.

Funny thing is. ME2 was the first Mass Effect game that I played. And I loved it. I played up until the point where Ashley showed up on Horizon.

Then I decided to stop playing and go back to ME1 to play from the beginning. When I came back to Mass Effect 2 I couldn't stand it anymore because the first game felt like the better game and story to me.

As Dr Chakwas said, they didn't work for Cerberus, they worked for Shepard to fight the Collectors. That's it.

Also Miranda will support your decision of destroying the base and oppose it if you want to keep it. If she is with you in the finale, she will "formally resign" from Cerberus.

[Hartford688]

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I stand corrected! Though I generally only do Legion's loyalty mission after IFF and then go immediately after the crew, so I have zero personal experience. Even my Renegades won't wait to get their crew back.

It's not about IFF mission, but collector abduction. There is some weird mechanics when exactly that IFF would be installed (depends on number of unfulfilled missions, I believe, but don't cite me); so, until you don't have that cutscene about "shuttle for the next mission" and abduction sequence, you can do whatever you want.
After that, numbers above.

Yes, I know is regarding the adduction. Sheesh, get off your pedantic horse. I mean I do all missions before the IFF, then only have Legion's left. Then I can go straight after the abduction. FFS.

[GlorFindel1983]

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You can have her killed very easy in first part; just send her into the vents! She dies 100%!

That's not an option. Nice try though. :p

Of course that's an option! You can select anyone to do anything in Suicide mission! I know, since I played Suicide mission more then 10 times in ME2!

[Champ Paper]

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That's not an option. Nice try though. :p

Of course that's an option! You can select anyone to do anything in Suicide mission! I know, since I played Suicide mission more then 10 times in ME2!

I've played it that much as well and I can guarantee you the tech specialist is narrowed down to only Kasumi, Tali, Legion, Garrus, Thane, Mordin and Jacob. Might have missed someone else, but you definitely can't choose from everyone for that specific job.

[AC-Darth]

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Sole Survivors that met Corporal Toombs would have killed Jacob and Miranda then take that shuttle to the nearest Alliance outpost.

My Shepard has the Colonist and War Hero background.

I would have really liked an option where I could have handed the SR-2 over to the alliance and have cerberus arrested after talking to the council and getting my spectre status back.

Then I would have recruited my old team if possible. I think the only one who wouldn't wanna come is Wrex considering his new position.

I'm still not sure about Dr. Chakwas and Joker. They're there for Shepard but I can't help but feel that they betrayed the alliance and the citadel council.

And lets be honest. Shepard wouldn't be in that position if it wasn't for Joker in the first place. If he had just abandoned ship like he was ordered to do Shepard wouldn't have died.

[GlorFindel1983]

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Of course that's an option! You can select anyone to do anything in Suicide mission! I know, since I played Suicide mission more then 10 times in ME2!

I've played it that much as well and I can guarantee you the tech specialist is narrowed down to only Kasumi, Tali, Legion, Garrus, Thane, Mordin and Jacob. Might have missed someone else, but you definitely can't choose from everyone for that specific job.

Biotic specialist have to be, well, biotic; but Vents are all in, at least for Miranda, as I personally send her in and she died!

[AC-Darth]

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I've played it that much as well and I can guarantee you the tech specialist is narrowed down to only Kasumi, Tali, Legion, Garrus, Thane, Mordin and Jacob. Might have missed someone else, but you definitely can't choose from everyone for that specific job.

Biotic specialist have to be, well, biotic; but Vents are all in, at least for Miranda, as I personally send her in and she died!

That is good to know. Thank you.