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You can count the amount of people interested in split screen, on one hand. And no, pc gamers generally do not play fps type games with a controller.
Actually there's a lot of demand for local multiplayer games, because as it turns out Millennials are turning 43 this year, a lot of people who grew up playing games now have kids they want to play with, lovers they want to play with, there are GenZ gamer dads who like to hang out and play games.
And just as there are multiple generations of gamers there are multiple generations of computers in a lot of people's households. It's not at all abnormal for people to get an HDMI cable and plug their old gaming PCs up to their televisions, it's the whole reason Valve created Big Picture Mode in the first place.
https://youtu.be/EFrL6-OhN94
Actually a lot of people play games like Farcry, Skyrim, and Team Fortress with a controller. According to Valve's analytics roughly 25% of the user base prefers to use a controller, that counts a lot of players who only play games in genres that aren't suitable to a controller like Total War or Crusader Kings.
I mean the Local Multiplayer Community is STILL playing Unreal Tournament 3 with FoMod and Portal 2 it's not that we don't want to play other games local co-op with a controller it's literally that we aren't being allowed to.
Besides this isn't a competitive FPS it's a survival game, and there's a completely unserved demand for that in the couch co-op community. People want to play games like Valheim split screen and about the best we can do is Stranded Deep because no one will ever give us the option.
It's still a first person game and the mouse and keyboard are vastly superior in these types of games.
Do you have a source showing data or is this your opinion? Because I've seen no evidence of any such demand.
I have nothing against controllers, I use them myself in games where the precision of a mouse and keyboard aren't needed, such as 3rd person single player games, driving games or games like GTA because a controller is superior to a mouse and keyboard when operating vehicles in such games.
That said, split screen has always sucked imo and I stand by my statement that the only demand for it, is in very fringe cases. Someone also made the argument in the other thread that a computer that would be able to run this game twice side by side which is basically what split screen is, is not something most people have access to. You would need the best current hardware out there to do it, if at all.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Edit: I just searched "split screen" on here and there are like 5 threads in this whole forum where it's even mentioned lol. That pretty much ends the discussion. Literally nobody is thinking about or wishing to play this game split screen.
So is Valheim, people play it with a controller.
So is Borderlands, millions of people play it with a controller.
So is Farcry, millions of people play it with a controller.
So is Skyrim, millions of people play it with a controller.
If this were an online arena shooter you might have a valid point to make, but it's not.
Also like I said millennials are turning 43, that means a lot of us are having health issues start to set in, for example I have arthritis in my spine and it physically hurts me to play with a mouse and keyboard.
And with each year the number of people with accessibility issues like mine is only going to increase.
Ultimately peak controller superiority isn't as important to a lot of people as being able to play comfortably, and it isn't as important to people with friends and family than being able to play with them.
Also since you want to talk about the superiority of mouse and keyboard, WASD is inferior to a thumb stick, so for peak efficiency you should be combining the reflex aiming of a mouse in one hand with the superior context sensitive movement controls of a controller in the other.
Before my arthritis made that playstyle impossible I dominated Tribes Ascend with it, WASD isn't capable of the fine motion it allows especially for a competitive high speed Vertical FPS with Jetpacks and Skiing mechanics where hitting a slope just right makes all the difference.
So check mate on your elitist gate keeping.
I get that this is unfathomable for some people who have no one to play locally with, but there are lot of are parents who'd like to play with our kids, or people with family members we'd like to play with, or friends. There are couples who like to play together games together.
Local Multiplayer Games is a whole category on Steam, there are some very successful games in it that can't even be played well solo, that's proof that there's a big enough local multiplayer community on Steam to market games to.
Unless you're playing online mouse and keyboard aren't essential in most FPS games, even online there are whole console shooters with crossplay and people are doing just fine.
If you can't even fathom having friends and family to share a screen with that's just sad and I feel sorry for you.
That's inferior because it doesn't have a properly adjusted HUD and UI and also it uses more resources.
No, running two separate instances is way more system intensive than running a single instance with split screen support.
For one all of the assets don't need to be loaded twice for a single instance, the engine doesn't need to be running twice, and so on.
Split screen has been a thing since NES. Not even the Super Nintendo, just the original regular Nintendo, I grew up with a game called Spy vs Spy. Actually it's been around since the Atari 2600 with Tank Wars and Tempest.
So five separate threads just for this one game that doesn't have it as a feature?
lmao!
So in short, no. You do not have any data confirming supposed demand for split screen. Thanks for the confirmation.
No. We can sit here and exchange opinions all day but you aren't going to sit here and claim that someone with a controller can even compete with someone using a mouse and keyboard in a shooter. There is no competition, not even close.
Don't even start lol, save yourself the effort. You can't get under my skin, all you are doing is showing me I got under yours with such comments. I'm an adult, and you don't have the slightest clue what my social or family life looks like.
Well, I'll tell you what. There's a feedback and suggestions thread pinned in here, post your request and good luck with that. Don't hold your breath though, because I can assure you it wont be happening.
Your mindless scoffing doesn't change the fact that a control stick in one hand and a mouse in the other provides better aim than a controller and better context sensitive maneuverability than WASD.
If you're really such a control scheme elitist you should rebind your keys so that you can control your character with a controller in one hand and aim with a mouse in the other. Otherwise it's just hypocritical for you to gatekeep control schemes and act so aggrieved that people would prefer one you consider less than optimal.
By the way I have bad news for you, this game already has controller support and people are already playing it with a controller. It doesn't affect you at all but it sure seems to bother you that people would.
There is a lot of evidence, for one people are asking for it in just about every forum of every game in the genre, it's been successful on consoles, there are whole communities dedicated to couch co-op and local multiplayer, there are popular local multiplayer mods for several games like FoMod for Unreal 3, several devs that added it to their games (Stardew Valley for instance) have seen success, there's a whole category for local games here on steam and a lot of them sell well, but to my knowledge no study has been done.
Mouse and keyboard may provide an advantage in twitch aiming but there are people playing online shooters with crossplay doing just fine with a controller.
An adult who can't even fathom the concept of people wanting to play local multiplayer, a strong indicator that you have no one to play it with.
Not for a shooter, it's completely irrelevant. In fact, you don't want sensitive maneuverability in a shooter, you want rigid, unpredictable movements. Strafing side to side in an unpredictable manor is a very common tactic as is peaking in and out around a corner, both are done faster with WASD.
I've been playing shooters for many years, I've acquired muscle memory over the years. To change that up now, would do nothing for me. I also never claimed to be any kind of "control scheme elitist", that's just you repeating the same garbage over and over again because you can't get what I'm telling you through that thick skull. I'm going to quote it for you one more time and if you still don't get it, that's a you problem.
The problem here is that YOU want to play split screen and are trying to inflate some imaginary demand where there is none. It's not a reasonable request and you didn't make a convincing argument in this thread at all, you presented your case quite poorly actually. Kinda like a child that throws himself on the ground kicking and screaming when he's told no.
You keep badgering on about how I must not have anyone to play with because I wont support your request for split screen in a shooter, in 2024 lol. These days people just make a gaming room and set up multiple computers fyi, the split screen days ended long ago. I'm sure you can get some console that does it but to request that feature for a shooter on pc, is just absurd. There is no demand for it, it's just YOU and like 2 other people lol. Call it what it is and move on, this isn't a hill worth dying on.
I'm done with this pointless argument, post your suggestion in the feedback thread and GOOD LUCK, like I said.
Yes for a shooter, the fine context sensitive movement you get from a control stick helps line up shots and move in ways that are impossible with WASD.
Especially for a high speed VFPS.
So you're basically just admitting that WASD controls are inferior and suggesting that it's a good thing because it makes movement janky.
But I've played these games with a control stick and a mouse, there have been special one handed controllers for it since the late 1990's and it helped dominate Quake and UT, Tribes, WASD can't keep up with the range of motion a control stick allows, and when moving just a hair to line up your aim for a perfect head shot WASD has always been too janky to be reliable for it.
A control stick with a mouse provides superior strafing potential, WASD has people move at predictable speeds which makes it easier to aim at where they'll be, but with a control stick the player can speed up and slow down and move in more than 8 directions.
I've played them since the 1990's.
You basically argued against local multiplayer on the grounds that using a controller in a first person shooter is less optimal than using a mouse.
But the game already has controller support.
I'm not the only one, why are you so determined to gaslight and marginalize the local multiplayer community anyway? You think just because you don't have anyone to play with no one does huh?
I cited a lot of evidence that indicates otherwise.
Your argument is basically that if there hasn't been a scientific study to measure the demand it doesn't exist, which is myopic and asinine.
It's a perfectly reasonable request. Games have had split screen since the 1980s.
Your inability to comprehend why anyone would want local multiplayer is a clear indicator.
So your solution is for people to buy multiple computers, and create multiple steam accounts, and buy multiple copies of the game, just to play it under the same roof?
You clearly aren't qualified to say what is and isn't reasonable.
It's literally been added to multiple games after launch, I cited Stardew Valley and Kingdom Two Crowns as examples, I could have also cited Streets of Rogue, Barony, Project Zomboid, why are you so against PC gamers having the options to play with friends and family on the same screen anyway?
No it isn't, your hostility towards the idea is what's absurd.
Why do you want PC gamers to be unable to do things console gamers can do? Why are you so against people being able to play local multiplayer on their living room PC?
Explain this then
Some of the higher profile games have a ridiculous number of threads about it, if you took all the aggregate minecraft threads requesting Local Co-Op from back when it was still Mojang you'd have terabytes of threads.
So you think Steam has this whole local multiplayer section full of games like Screen Cheat, Crawl, Barony, Knights and Bikes, It Takes Two, and yet despite how well a lot of these games sell you presume there's no demand for it.
We have esports as a reference, none of the best players use anything other than a mouse and a keyboard, and there is a reason for that. You have no leg to stand on here and I wont discuss it any further, this isn't even debatable. It is common knowledge that a mouse and keyboard are the best for fps games, you'll just have to come to terms with that fact or stay in denial.
Good for you. People have been playing with weird setups since PC gaming became a thing. None of these setups became mainstream however because WASD is better. While someone with these setups can enjoy a game and maybe get a few kills, you'd get annihilated in any competitive game by players using a keyboard and mouse.
No, it does not. Controllers have a dead zone, a keyboard does not.
No, I did not.
The topic wouldn't even be on the radar if one guy hadn't bumped the only two threads in the whole forum mentioning it. One already disappeared off the front page and I don't see a single person other than you arguing for it in this one. There is no split screen community lol, only in your fantasy.
You've cited nothing and even admitted to having no data when asked to provide sources of said demand.
No, I asked you for anything showing any demand for split screen. A subreddit, a youtube channel, a sizable forum post...anything. You provided nothing. There is no demand for split screen in PC games like this.
The 80's are gone, gaming has evolved. Split screen was rendered useless as lan parties became a thing and later became completely obsolete as online play became popular. Welcome to 2024.
Not even going to bother responding to the rest, I've wasted enough time already. It's just a lot of words saying nothing, denying reality. I'm bored of it. I'm going to let your thread die now, which will be the final indicator that there is no support for split screen in this game, because if it weren't for me, this thread would be on page 3 by now. Buh bye!
The only reason is built in support and the obscurity of the alternative I've discussed.
If more people knew the advantages of Mouse and Control Stick, and Control Stick options were more readily accessible, more people would use that set up. It provides an objectively superior range of motion and control than WASD.
The main issue apart from being obscure is that not many games support it, most games switch to 100% controller support or 100% mouse and keyboard and don't permit hybrid support.
So much for you being done by the way.
No, WASD is objectively inferior, it's just the built in default option that most people know about and use.
If one handed controllers were more mainstream and more games had hybrid support, Mouse and Control stick would be more mainstream.
Dead zones can be adjusted to almost zero, the main purpose is to keep you from spinning in circles because of a spec of dust.
Anyone who's ever moved to adjust aim with a controller knows it's easier to line up a shot with a control stick than WASD.
Yes you did, you responded to a thread about local multiplayer with this gate keeper rant about how controllers are inferior to Mouse and Keyboard.
It's as if you were assuming no one would even use a controller, in a game that already has built in controller support.
I mean it's more common in the forums for other games, that there aren't many threads for this specific game is irrelevant. This game is relatively obscure, the only reason I know about it is because Steam said "Hey you like Valheim, you may also like this"
I cited a ton of evidence, you just ignored all of it without addressing any of it.
By "No Data" what you mean is that there have been no scientific studies.
The fact that there haven't been scientific studies doesn't mean that there's no data.
I cited several examples, you ignored all of them.
Because it destroys your position. Here's a quote so everyone can see where you punked out.