Here is your 1.0 release

[batty251]

https://youtu.be/A_E4eCwUEqg?si=1gomYLLH0FgI1GMn

Everyone knows what I'm going to say about how it adds nothing to the end game except for raccoons but enjoy..

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

That comment alone is exactly the reason why there's a big gap between communities and developers. People cry that a game isn't updated and it's a dead game abandoned by the developers, then when an update actually happens, people cry even more that it's not enough.

There's new mutants, the final artifact piece, the golf cart being improved on so you don't have to hop out to check the GPS, the hang glider having more use by jumping on a turtle shell trampoline, enemies wearing golden armor (so it might mean we can upgrade armor with solafite), and some kind of smoke trails around the map which indicate some kind of point of interest.

Now I'm starting to see why Endnight doesn't want to engage with the fan-base. You should check out The Cycle: Frontier. The developers are some of the worst I've seen (censoring and unfairly banning players, then running off with whatever money they could get after declaring they were shutting down the servers for good).

Yeah right and that one sided response alone is enough to tell me you're full of ♥♥♥♥.
The "gap between community and developer" is there because the devs placed it there and did so from the very start - the start being all the way back during the EA of TF1 mind you.

The justification for that behavior has to be found individually per customer, but for me I gave them the benefit of the doubt because all in all TF1 was unique enough and they looked good enough at what they were doing for a 20 EUR or so game.
A decade later tho and good, quirky sandbox games are not a rarity anymore.
Back then TF1 was way more unique than SOTF is now.

So in this era, the gripe lies in that the devs don't address popular concerns (and often stand cross against their own original statements).
A behavior usually seen by triple A, but lately being more common in the Indie scene too.

The so called "ai" for example, the devs said it was going to be oh-so-special, well why then is:
- my Kelvin still stuck under my foundations for the last 10 months?
- the slinky still just steamrolling forward with "no clip" on player structures whenever it feels like it, instead of having proper climbing animations or something that feels like a process you want to stop and create urgency during combat?
So yeah a new mutant or cannibal is nice but what does it bring to the table in terms of challenge and reward? And do you really need more quantity over quality interms of combat behavior?
- random cannibals can still spawn in the base, cuz ♥♥♥ me amirite :D ? and to figure out how they do it is impossible because you never SEE them do it, they are just in there randomly. concluding that there is no such behavior to allow it and it's just broken enemy placement.
- the little wildlife that does exist, is plain dumb and functions like a troglodyte infested a plushy from the fair and decided to walk around pretending to be an animal.
- seasons, nothing ever happened since '23 , oh man did I see potential in that. that entire concept if worked out in tandem with animal, enemy & plant behavior would have been chef's kiss..

ALL of this is AI behavior, part of it being responsive, unique.
They could have made a product that stood out, but didn't, yet sold it as if it would.
SOTF is just repackaged TF1 because a newer unity but without the first experience of the unknown which is now gone and what little is left is ruined by the 2 stupid npc's.

So yeah, imagine trying to sound objective while starting off painting the entire fanbase of a horror game as a spoiled 10yo brat. Whilst discarding any concerns for the quality of the product and the sincerity of the project as a whole , during the entire 1 year period went by.

Lastly, I do agree the stuff in the trailer looks good, but it's a trailer and it's 100% cherry picked. So whether this "looks good" we'll be a "plays good and is fun" is a different pair of socks.

We saw how it went for the last 12 months, I ain't hyping myself up for this.
The best decision regarding this game I've made was to uninstall it months ago and just wait for the small updates and the 1.0 release to accumulate for hopefully a newer, better , fuller experience. We'll see how that plan worked out soon.

In the future tho I'll give EA with this company a big, fat, wide berth.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) adios

[grinsekeatzchen]

Origineel geplaatst door Nerevar:

youre talking to a fanboy grinse. its a waste of time. they cannot be reasoned with and they refuse to see facts and feel the need to defend THIER game at all costs. we all have seen the updates. we know what the core issues are. fanboys are in denial of these things even 1 year later and think 1.0 is gonna magically change things.

I don't have anything against fanboys perse. I'm a fanboys when it comes to other Games.(although, never to a Point, that i wouldn't See the issues)
But i hate how this person here throws stuff into answers, other people dosn't Said.

I read a few of His comments, and He does this all the time.
That isn't even a fanboy. He's Just delusianel and can't argue. I Wonder If He even played the Game ...

Like, yeah there is a Video. Yeah, there is "content". But He totaly ignores that this "content" is stuff that last 5mins and then?
I never Said Endnight does not Update the Game. But that the Updates are filler stuff, which dosn't makes the Game less empty.
Like yes, Endnight listend to suggestions to ... Recycle stuff and Put a golfcart(which they 99,99999% already Had ready, before EA, i Bet) in the Game. But a few more mutants and Transportation, is not content that holds you in the Game.
Content would be, better survival. More and better building. More Interactions with the NPC. My god, even the enslaving ideas have more comment Sense than people Like him.
I really Wonder whats wrong with people Like him.

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Origineel geplaatst door grinsekeatzchen:

Like, yeah there is a Video. Yeah, there is "content". But He totaly ignores that this "content" is stuff that last 5mins and then?
I never Said Endnight does not Update the Game. But that the Updates are filler stuff, which dosn't makes the Game less empty.
..

There is a deceptive, built-in flaw when you play EA games.
In that you only see the small updates and improvements when they roll out and when you are already playing the game. People who skip the EA and just get the full game won't have this tedious half-experience + a little bit + another little bit.

So calling stuff "filler" is kinda debatable. What is NOT debetable however is that together with the filler or not, there are too many boring things in the game that never saw the attention they deserved. OR atleast didn't see any results of possible attention it might have gotten. (Perhaps devs are more incompetent than we know, when it comes to the season/building assets/survival/hunting part of the game).

[grinsekeatzchen]

Origineel geplaatst door Duke H. Vytantis:

Origineel geplaatst door grinsekeatzchen:

Like, yeah there is a Video. Yeah, there is "content". But He totaly ignores that this "content" is stuff that last 5mins and then?
I never Said Endnight does not Update the Game. But that the Updates are filler stuff, which dosn't makes the Game less empty.
..

There is a deceptive, built-in flaw when you play EA games.
In that you only see the small updates and improvements when they roll out and when you are already playing the game. People who skip the EA and just get the full game won't have this tedious half-experience + a little bit + another little bit.

So calling stuff "filler" is kinda debatable. What is NOT debetable however is that together with the filler or not, there are too many boring things in the game that never saw the attention they deserved. OR atleast didn't see any results of possible attention it might have gotten. (Perhaps devs are more incompetent than we know, when it comes to the season/building assets/survival/hunting part of the game).

Lol ... I'm so dead tired. I Just wrote a answer in German and wanted to Post xD.

But Short. Yeah, you are right. Filler was not the right word.
But that the Focus was wrong.


And yeah. Hate on me fanboys, but when a Game Takes Bugs from their old Game into the new Game. Including a Ton of new Bugs, who never got adressed, this for me is incompetence. In every other Job you would be fired for this.

But for Games, the dev's still get hyped Like crazy. Like the "new" ARK ...
At least Endnight goes not(for the Moment) the moneysucker Route Like ARK does.

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Imagine bootlicking a company that made millions off two games because they don't charge you for a subscription and still release updates for an early access. The bar is really low nowadays isn't it lmao.

The first game had character, care and purpose. This one has none of that and was made in a min-max fashion with outsourcing of work, automated map generation and lackluster content.

Fortunately the updates have been significant and maybe the release version they fully redeem themselves but I'm not optimistic. Once the trust is broken, is really hard to get it back.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Origineel geplaatst door AStaemUser:

Imagine bootlicking a company that made millions off two games because they don't charge you for a subscription and still release updates for an early access. The bar is really low nowadays isn't it lmao.

The first game had character, care and purpose. This one has none of that and was made in a min-max fashion with outsourcing of work, automated map generation and lackluster content.

Fortunately the updates have been significant and maybe the release version they fully redeem themselves but I'm not optimistic. Once the trust is broken, is really hard to get it back.

So you want an abandoned early access game that has no updates so you can complain either way? Your standards must be so high, I want to know what games would you even praise or are you afraid you're going to be called a "boot-licker" yourself?

EDIT: I've noticed you're the 3rd guy here that has a private profile who's a ♥♥♥♥-talker. I think I struck a troll gold mine here or it's the same guy making alt accounts just to troll.

You clearly haven't seen rock bottom. Other companies make way more money than Endnight and they wouldn't even care to update a game anymore like Rockstar with Red Dead Online who absolutely give zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about listening to their community.

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Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

Origineel geplaatst door AStaemUser:

Imagine bootlicking a company that made millions off two games because they don't charge you for a subscription and still release updates for an early access. The bar is really low nowadays isn't it lmao.

The first game had character, care and purpose. This one has none of that and was made in a min-max fashion with outsourcing of work, automated map generation and lackluster content.

Fortunately the updates have been significant and maybe the release version they fully redeem themselves but I'm not optimistic. Once the trust is broken, is really hard to get it back.

So you want an abandoned early access game that has no updates so you can complain either way? Your standards must be so high, I want to know what games would you even praise or are you afraid you're going to be called a "boot-licker" yourself?

No, but I'm not going around praising a company that made millions and are still doing their obligations. That's silly.

My standards are as high as the first game was and this one missed the mark completely.

I don't play games to go around and praise them. I play because I want to have a good time and be entretained and if they fail to meet expectations, especially for the money paid, I'm going to complain and criticize it.

If you enjoy the game, good for you. Most reviews are positive. You don't have to be so worked up about others pointing out facts about the lackluster and lazy execution Endnight had with this iteration.

Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

EDIT: I've noticed you're the 3rd guy here that has a private profile who's a ♥♥♥♥-talker. I think I struck a troll gold mine here or it's the same guy making alt accounts just to troll.

You clearly haven't seen rock bottom. Other companies make way more money than Endnight and they wouldn't even care to update a game anymore like Rockstar with Red Dead Online

So? I had it public before but I'm not using much of steam anymore so no point having it public. I just come here to the mental asylum that is the steam forums because I'm bored af and it's funny.

[Hellsmoke]

Origineel geplaatst door Duke H. Vytantis:

So in this era, the gripe lies in that the devs don't address popular concerns

That's just straight up bs, I can honestly say I've never seen any developers listen to and respond to their players like these guys do. I could drop a whole list of things people asked for and they got it and it's not a small list, it's massive. That said, they can't listen to EVERY single player so they see what's the most popular request and if it's doable, they do it.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Origineel geplaatst door AStaemUser:

Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

So you want an abandoned early access game that has no updates so you can complain either way? Your standards must be so high, I want to know what games would you even praise or are you afraid you're going to be called a "boot-licker" yourself?

No, but I'm not going around praising a company that made millions and are still doing their obligations. That's silly.

My standards are as high as the first game was and this one missed the mark completely.

I don't play games to go around and praise them. I play because I want to have a good time and be entretained and if they fail to meet expectations, especially for the money paid, I'm going to complain and criticize it.

If you enjoy the game, good for you. Most reviews are positive. You don't have to be so worked up about others pointing out facts about the lackluster and lazy execution Endnight had with this iteration.

Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

EDIT: I've noticed you're the 3rd guy here that has a private profile who's a ♥♥♥♥-talker. I think I struck a troll gold mine here or it's the same guy making alt accounts just to troll.

You clearly haven't seen rock bottom. Other companies make way more money than Endnight and they wouldn't even care to update a game anymore like Rockstar with Red Dead Online

So? I had it public before but I'm not using much of steam anymore so no point having it public. I just come here to the mental asylum that is the steam forums because I'm bored af and it's funny.

If you want "lackluster and lazy execution", there's other games to choose from. "Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League" is one.

While it wasn't released in an early access fashion, that game is the perfect example of those words. Yes, the bar is low because of games like that, especially it's a live-service game with poor management that takes a dump on the community for its lack of respect and has a $70 price tag in which it's also woke. No wonder why barely anyone plays that train-wreck of a game on Steam. In other words, there's way worse games out there if you look hard enough. Scratch that, given modern gaming, you actually don't have to look far.

Side note, I've noticed most private profiles are usually troll or cheater accounts. Not all of them are like that but most I've run into are. I used to have a private profile but I made it public to make one idiot shut up because he didn't think I played enough of a specific genre to form an opinion.

[ehop]

Origineel geplaatst door Doctor Bong:

Origineel geplaatst door batty251:

What did u expect? Their dropping and ditching the game.

to be honest, i didn't expect anything and was still disappointed

That sentence doesn't even make sense.

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Origineel geplaatst door {FU}TheForgeryTTV:

Origineel geplaatst door Duke H. Vytantis:

Now you're just pathetically trying to wiggle your way out of your previous mistake.
Jesus christ are you in denial tf how old are you?

Nothing dictates I can't look at a forum throughout the entirety of the EA process, specifically related to a product I own.
Besides that, you must be new here to have never seen me active here or what?

So got anymore stupid remarks, based on nothings and your personal rage, for the sake to strawman me?
Cause you ran out of steam and resorted to insulting real fast and that doesn't bode well for you and the direction you want this convo to go.

So just shut your claptrap now , ya don't even realize you dug your own grave.

Hey look, another moron added on my block list. If you won't shut the hell up, this will work too. Can't wait to see how many blocked messages you'll spew out like another grade A moron.

Imagine being so butt-hurt, you're the reason why this thread couldn't load for about half an hour whereas other threads on this forum worked just fine. Next time, lay off the salt.

Funny you say "imagine", because I or others don't have to imagine anything, we can very well see you actually being butthurt and salty.
During this entire emotional tantrum you've been throwing, the only thing you've done is project your own behavior and insecurities onto others.
And when it doesn't work, you resort to blocking, because reality needs to be kept out of your basement doesn't it?

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Origineel geplaatst door Hellsmoke77:

Origineel geplaatst door Duke H. Vytantis:

So in this era, the gripe lies in that the devs don't address popular concerns

That's just straight up bs, I can honestly say I've never seen any developers listen to and respond to their players like these guys do. I could drop a whole list of things people asked for and they got it and it's not a small list, it's massive. That said, they can't listen to EVERY single player so they see what's the most popular request and if it's doable, they do it.

there is a literal list of problems NOT "wants" in regards to AI, in the same text you pull that ONE sentence out of and STILL you do this ♥♥♥♥ for the sake of bothering someone.

absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ troll

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Origineel geplaatst door AStaemUser:

So? I had it public before but I'm not using much of steam anymore so no point having it public. I just come here to the mental asylum that is the steam forums because I'm bored af and it's funny.

Don't bother, he just tries to gaslight you into some pull-out-of-the-arse-offtopic-argument.

He has done nothing else but that for this entire afternoon.

[Hellsmoke]

Origineel geplaatst door Duke H. Vytantis:

absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ troll

That's absolutely priceless coming from you lol. The lack of self awareness on display here is astounding.

In any case, you might want to consider the idea that some of these issues aren't easily solved, because that's most likely the case. On top of that, they have a schedule to keep as well. If they spent weeks or months messing with the AI, people would lose their collective minds because they aren't getting fresh content every two weeks.

On top of that, I highly doubt development will stop after 1.0 releases so we'll see where they go from there.

[YouMayCallMeMurray]

Origineel geplaatst door AStaemUser:

Imagine bootlicking a company that made millions off two games because they don't charge you for a subscription and still release updates for an early access. The bar is really low nowadays isn't it lmao.

The first game had character, care and purpose. This one has none of that and was made in a min-max fashion with outsourcing of work, automated map generation and lackluster content.

Fortunately the updates have been significant and maybe the release version they fully redeem themselves but I'm not optimistic. Once the trust is broken, is really hard to get it back.

You are right about that. Endnight is really good at one thing: creating hype.
And its not really difficult if you remember what they already told about game and that it was nearly completed year ago.

They sold it by 4 times larger map(which is true but was wastly empty, and still is).
There is no real survival mechanics here nor will ever be.
And that new groundbraking complex AI. Well we have not seen it yet.

It really has been one of the biggest letdowns I have ever encountered.