stone - 'post' locations

[threethreethree]

This is a riddle I haven't solved so far. I might be able to eventually if I screw around with it enough, but I'm kinda tired of trying and hope someone else knows.

Imagine the scenario of simply building a stand-alone stone fence segment. Only stone, no log components. Not connected to any pre-existing structures.

Whenever you lay down a certain number horizontally, it 'completes' a segment. And then at each end of that, you have the option of placing one vertically, which is what I'm calling a 'post' location. These points also seem to correspond with where you can lay one down horizontally in a perpendicular direction.

-- I'm trying to control where the post locations are, and so also where exactly each complete segment is located on the ground. Not change where they're supposed to be according to a complete segment, but when that segment completes and I get the post option at each end, for example (where on the ground the completed section is located).

I can't find enough consistency, or figure out the logic to make it work. When I succeed, it feels accidental.

Sometimes I'll lay down a row, waiting for it to complete a segment, but it goes past the number of stones to make a complete segment before it completes, giving me a longer row, so then I'll have the post at the last one I put down yet the one at the other end isn't where I started that row but instead is further down the line.

Being forced to pick stones back up in a certain order, versus being able to pick which I pick up, doesn't help. I understand this when you have one level on top of another, for example. But this is when I'm still doing the first stones right on the ground.

I also don't understand sometimes getting the arrow pointing one way, and sometimes pointing the other way, when laying down each stone while making a row of them.

I'll start a row, then pick some back up and rebuild it in a different sequence...adding to one end versus the other end, etc. But even doing that doesn't seem to give me any control with much consistency for where I want a complete segment to start and stop, and therefore also the post locations.

I hope y'all understand what I'm explaining and my dilemma. lol Thanks :)


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2985114205

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2985114230

First pic is of the corner, which is two of what I want joined into a corner. Next to it is one section, shown in second pic but visible in first...each demonstrating the length I want. But the gap between the single section and the corner is too big...managing how far or close to each other is the issue, because it won't start or stop the section where I want it to unless by accident after juggling it a dozen times. That single section is too far away, and couldn't manage to get it different unless it's too close instead. I'm wanting a series of these, the gaps in between a certain size, to make a rectangle around the whole place.

Such a simple thing, nothing complicated. So even if I get it done with the suggested work arounds, this kind of thing should work pretty quick without all that jibber jabber to make it happen (also, can't imagine it being the unlevel ground, because as you can see, like with logs, it gave itself that magical leveling support stone on one end in the second pic. as it did some with the corner too).

[threethreethree]

Darn, I thought somebody would have some info for me. Is it a confusion for everyone else too?

[ryannorgreeves]

I haven't had a chance to tinker with this specifically, but in my testing of the stones, I noticed that there were multiple differences with the logs and stones. One of the main ones was that you can do posts upright at the set distance of one log length away from each other. Stones did not have this snap effect when I tried to repeat with them. My best guess is that some of those things will get ironed out in a future update. Sorry I can't be more help on this. I'll circle back if I get a chance to tinker and find something out. Good luck!

[threethreethree]

Originally posted by ryannorgreeves:

I haven't had a chance to tinker with this specifically, but in my testing of the stones, I noticed that there were multiple differences with the logs and stones. One of the main ones was that you can do posts upright at the set distance of one log length away from each other. Stones did not have this snap effect when I tried to repeat with them. My best guess is that some of those things will get ironed out in a future update. Sorry I can't be more help on this. I'll circle back if I get a chance to tinker and find something out. Good luck!

K Thanks ;)

[climbingeastofwinter]

I think I accidentally got a separate stone beam segment to start building over another stone beam that was building in the same location once too, and that can be a problem because the contextual building grid of each structure tends to interfere with the grids of other nearby structures.

[threethreethree]

Originally posted by climbingeastofwinter:

I think I accidentally got a separate stone beam segment to start building over another stone beam that was building in the same location once too, and that can be a problem because the contextual building grid of each structure tends to interfere with the grids of other nearby structures.

*snicker* tis an interesting build system they're trying to put together.

[threethreethree]

I figure that what I'm wrestling with in the stone system is similar to here also -

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1326470/discussions/0/3836549485417992250/

[BORG]

OK so here are my findings of working with stone and structures you want to conform to your plan.

First, lay your foundation with logs. Set all your support | posts. Fill the walls with stone. Then, you can place all the posts and supports any angle you want for your base. You will be able to even build a catwalk. You can use quarter, half or full length logs it's all up to you.

The big thing I've noticed is if you're working with stone and use logs to guide the building process, you can have a great result if you use log and stone together. That is the peak of building right now. Wood frames with stone walls.

[ConflicT Zv]

Originally posted by BORG:

OK so here are my findings of working with stone and structures you want to conform to your plan.

First, lay your foundation with logs. Set all your support | posts. Fill the walls with stone. Then, you can place all the posts and supports any angle you want for your base. You will be able to even build a catwalk. You can use quarter, half or full length logs it's all up to you.

The big thing I've noticed is if you're working with stone and use logs to guide the building process, you can have a great result if you use log and stone together. That is the peak of building right now. Wood frames with stone walls.

I think this is unfortunately the way it has to be done as of right now. I've had a lot of troubles as well getting stones to act the way I intend, but sometimes building something out of logs and then replacing the parts you want with stone seems to be a workaround. Like others have said, their are a few kinks that need to be worked out still.

[BORG]

Originally posted by ConflicT Zv:

Originally posted by BORG:

OK so here are my findings of working with stone and structures you want to conform to your plan.

First, lay your foundation with logs. Set all your support | posts. Fill the walls with stone. Then, you can place all the posts and supports any angle you want for your base. You will be able to even build a catwalk. You can use quarter, half or full length logs it's all up to you.

The big thing I've noticed is if you're working with stone and use logs to guide the building process, you can have a great result if you use log and stone together. That is the peak of building right now. Wood frames with stone walls.

I think this is unfortunately the way it has to be done as of right now. I've had a lot of troubles as well getting stones to act the way I intend, but sometimes building something out of logs and then replacing the parts you want with stone seems to be a workaround. Like others have said, their are a few kinks that need to be worked out still.

Oh for sure. I just found the easiest way around it all is to work them both together. It seems to work well that way. They should possibly be separate of one another though so we can build with both systems independently. Building walls, floors and ceilings of stone would be a good addition to the game.

[ryannorgreeves]

Yeah, you can sometimes get away with placing logs where you want them and then replacing them with stone. If its a supporting piece, obviously this hinders that tactic. Its likely going to get some updates. I don't think they're done with other things like tarps either. I'm under the impression they're figuring most of this out as they go on the building.

[threethreethree]

In my particular instance, I'm wanting to make single stand-alone segments...fence...wall, really...but each a single full stretch, as defined by having that place at each end where i place vertical stones. Directly on the ground, all stone. So it seems tricky to build that with logs and then replace with stone. Unless I can place a vertical log pillar where each end would be, place the horizontal stones between them, then remove the vertical logs at each end and replace with vertical stone. That sounds weird...like it won't work. Or maybe in a different sequence than what I just described. Might eventually try that, but that's so much freaking work for the result I want. Am wanting to make a series of these 'fence' structures, many of them.

[Ryzilynt]

Been working with stone a lot , it is finicky but can usually get it to do what you want. PLan to make this tower at least twice as tall :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2985011688

The scaffolding in this pick it just to get that upper floating balcony in place , then it comes out.

Ground floor is 1 log high, second floor is 1.5 logs high, third floor is 1 log high, and 4th floor is 2 logs high. There are no center supports inside this structure.

[ConflicT Zv]

Originally posted by ryannorgreeves:

Yeah, you can sometimes get away with placing logs where you want them and then replacing them with stone. If its a supporting piece, obviously this hinders that tactic. Its likely going to get some updates. I don't think they're done with other things like tarps either. I'm under the impression they're figuring most of this out as they go on the building.

You can sometimes get around this too by using a temporary strut while you replace the log, but some parts just don't want to be removed even though everything is properly supported. It likely has to do with the ordering of construction but it's very strange and not always intuitive.

[ConflicT Zv]

Originally posted by threethreethree:

In my particular instance, I'm wanting to make single stand-alone segments...fence...wall, really...but each a single full stretch, as defined by having that place at each end where i place vertical stones. Directly on the ground, all stone. So it seems tricky to build that with logs and then replace with stone. Unless I can place a vertical log pillar where each end would be, place the horizontal stones between them, then remove the vertical logs at each end and replace with vertical stone. That sounds weird...like it won't work. Or maybe in a different sequence than what I just described. Might eventually try that, but that's so much freaking work for the result I want. Am wanting to make a series of these 'fence' structures, many of them.

This is how I would do it, I believe it should work as annoying as it may be.

[threethreethree]

i guess i shoulda taken some pics from the beginning...have taken 2 pics and added to OP, additional explanation after the pics.