What does winter bring, Besides frozen water ? Winter Needs Realism.

[Defiance]

When winter hits not much happens. There is a text telling the player that he is cold but to what point ? Besides the frozen water the winter is the same as summer. Some cold damage over time would make things more realistic, and give the reason to hunt for hide and wear warm clothing... Yes winter kills, that's why we dress warm in the winter ;)

[Ataxio]

Not gonna mention how it wrecks nearly half the stamina meter?

I find that singular aspect extremely annoying to the point where I hate winter. But I also generally loathe stamina mechanics in most games.

[Laughing_joker]

make some deer armor need 10 of them, the other thing is winter does is to stay warm or wait it out in till its summer again, or stuck up on food and water i hope this help..

[Ataxio]

Does deer armor actually give warmth? I've never tried and assumed it was superior stealth over leaf armor.

How does the winter jacket play in? It dosent seem to do anything.

[Defiance]

Originally posted by Laughing_joker:

make some deer armor need 10 of them, the other thing is winter does is to stay warm or wait it out in till its summer again, or stuck up on food and water i hope this help..

But I don't freeze and don't get cold either, I get no damage. I could get naked and swim in the ice water, So I see no difference

[Defiance]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Not gonna mention how it wrecks nearly half the stamina meter?

I find that singular aspect extremely annoying to the point where I hate winter. But I also generally loathe stamina mechanics in most games.

I haven't even noticed any stamina change, I just carry on like usual in my causal suite without heat or warmth

[Ataxio]

Oh I notice it. It makes travel quite annoying. But I mainly played prior to the knight V and hang glider. Still haven't tried the new caves ect.

Wouldn't hate more aggressive coldness or something but what exactly do we do when we're stuck inside a cabin? Watching a fake fire is not the same as it is irl unfortunately.

[Defiance]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Oh I notice it. It makes travel quite annoying. But I mainly played prior to the knight V and hang glider. Still haven't tried the new caves ect.

Wouldn't hate more aggressive coldness or something but what exactly do we do when we're stuck inside a cabin? Watching a fake fire is not the same as it is irl unfortunately.

I love how they did it in the Lone dark. The heating of the house your living in would make the fireplaces so much cooler. I mean a fire in each room to make it real cozy and meaningful together with a rack with warm hide that you spent hunting for to keep warm and not take damage in the cold.

[Ataxio]

There absolutely needs to be some work done there. Fires nearby or in a house don't really project enough heat. You basically have to sit ontop of it, but the moment you walk away you've lost all that heat and are hypothermic again.

[Defiance]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

There absolutely needs to be some work done there. Fires nearby or in a house don't really project enough heat. You basically have to sit ontop of it, but the moment you walk away you've lost all that heat and are hypothermic again.

yes but to that some penalty of getting cold also have to exist. More of the real life effects. You get a lot of warnings before the winter come so to stock up on hide for the winter is a real cool meaningful activity. So I insist on cold damage, perhaps some slow decline in warmth before the actual cold damage occur but when it strikes it should really be serious.

[Gwame]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

There absolutely needs to be some work done there. Fires nearby or in a house don't really project enough heat. You basically have to sit ontop of it, but the moment you walk away you've lost all that heat and are hypothermic again.

I feel like this has changed. With the latest update, I just need to walk into my house and the cold disappears, even if I don't have a fire my stamina bar goes back to normal.

[Defiance]

Originally posted by Gwame:

Originally posted by Ataxio:

There absolutely needs to be some work done there. Fires nearby or in a house don't really project enough heat. You basically have to sit ontop of it, but the moment you walk away you've lost all that heat and are hypothermic again.

I feel like this has changed. With the latest update, I just need to walk into my house and the cold disappears, even if I don't have a fire my stamina bar goes back to normal.

For now Cold is just a name and stamina, so yes there sure has to be something done to that system.

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Besides snow & frozen still water, some visual and audio frost effects. But nothing groundbreaking and survivalesque.

[Dex Luther]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Not gonna mention how it wrecks nearly half the stamina meter?

I find that singular aspect extremely annoying to the point where I hate winter. But I also generally loathe stamina mechanics in most games.

I noticed that if you lite a fire near your bed before you sleep, it fills up more of your tiredness meter, and have less of your stamina meter drained.

I haven't played in 2-3 days, but I remember doing that had my stamina meter filled and the rest filled up once I had my morning meal and drink. The problem is you lose a lot of it again when you go out in the cold unless you're holding the torch.

[ConflicT Zv]

Another winter thread?

So I agree winter needs a bit of work. Shelter and indoor heating needs to be more consistent. Some buggy interactions with the temperature system need to be fixed.

But we can't undermine the importance of stamina damage. I've played hard survival, and I can tell you that fighting off waves of 10-12 cannibals every few minutes with only half max stamina is not easy.

Yes deer armor does increase warmth, yes the winter jacket does help, yes chicken noodle soup does increase warmth. These things are very important to consider come winter time. The problem here is that these effects don't always update on the character right away. Sometimes sleeping or reloading helps, but it's hard to pin down the cause. I had previously thought it was tied to snowy weather, but the cold and wet message just seems to pop up randomly. I'm still trying to fully understand the system.

[ConflicT Zv]

Did some further testing, here are my findings:

Different clothing items have different amounts of thermal protection and deer armor does increase thermal protection as well, but as I previously suspected, the thing screwing up all the temperature mechanics is snowy weather. Snowy weather is regarded the same way as rain, meaning no matter the amount of time you are exposed to it, you become 100% wet almost instantly. When wet, no amount of clothing or thermal protection will stop you from being cold. Being next to a fire increases your temperature, but does not decrease your wetness. The only way to decrease your wetness is to stand inside of a recognized shelter, built within a set of rules, or it will slowly decrease during clear weather. There is one answer however...

The wetsuit, funnily enough.

The wetsuit has 100% wetness protection and will stop you from being wet and cold regardless of weather, BUT you need to make sure if you change into it while already wet, that you walk back inside a shelter for about 15 seconds to dry, afterwards you cannot become wet again.

Overall it's pretty sad to see that the way the temperature and wetness mechanics interact, makes most clothing choices irrelevant. This needs to be fixed.