Kelvin is now basically useless.

[Jala769]

The only two materials he will grab for me now are stones and rocks. he won't grab sticks and he isn't grabbing logs for me now either.

[Jongus]

Same, he won't gather sticks, even when there sticks only meters away from him. Just stands there shaking his head.

[Jongus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von threethreethree:

Unless something really did change very recently that I haven't noticed and is a bug which needs to be fixed...I never understood player's problems with Mr. K. So I'd like to offer some help and find out what each person is neglecting or isn't doing right. I've never had any issues at all and it's just about knowing how to manage him and a few little details to this end. But these have already been discussed, so instead of listing all the things here which I'd be assuming are the problem(s), somebody give more information about how you do things and the factors in play...and I'll try to see what is the problem in each case.

There is definitely a change in Kelvin's behaviour following the latest update. Previously I could ask him to gather sticks and he'd wander far off into the woods gathering until the holders were filled. Now I've been stood on top of 2 sticks lying on the ground and asked him to gather sticks, and he just nods, then pauses and slaps his head. Sometimes he does gather one or two but quickly gives up. This is especially a problem because with the addition of electric fences my need for sticks has increased greatly.

[Sholomar]

Useless in his current form after more testing. It's not like his prior behavior was cheating or made the game super easy, it made time consuming grinding a bit more automated. Without that he's pointless to have around. If he needs food or comfort, then provide a means to give him food. He already lays around the fire all day.

It detracts from the game's fun and enjoyment to gimp the guy into near uselessness. He will already stop farming when any enemy is nearby that he spots which is fine, but now he just shakes his head or remains non responsive. Tell him a command and he goes to sit down.

[threethreethree]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von threethreethree:

Unless something really did change very recently that I haven't noticed and is a bug which needs to be fixed...I never understood player's problems with Mr. K. So I'd like to offer some help and find out what each person is neglecting or isn't doing right. I've never had any issues at all and it's just about knowing how to manage him and a few little details to this end. But these have already been discussed, so instead of listing all the things here which I'd be assuming are the problem(s), somebody give more information about how you do things and the factors in play...and I'll try to see what is the problem in each case.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von threethreethree:

Just getting sticks, rocks, stones, logs, and other things...is quite a bit of work, and is a lot of help. If you did just these things by yourself, with no cheats, you'd work your arse off and take much longer to do things...

...if you take Mr. K for granted, smack him in the head because you think it's funny, can't watch out for him when working as if it's so hard to do so, expect him to never get in your way as if you're the only person who's important or doing something, or don't give him breaks occasionally (or you don't understand that he'll take a break in the middle of a job and then continue that job without being told)...then he's probably 'programmed' to get an attitude and tell you to shove it up your arse and do it yourself.

Ok, confirmed on my end - Mr. K is rested, breaked-out, I take him to a place where trees and shrubbery are all around and there should be sticks everywhere, there is no snow on the ground, and there's a sled with empty side racks open for stick storage, and I ask him to get sticks and fill sled...

...he nods his head 'yes', and just comes back to me and stares, doing nothing. And I didn't leave his close general vicinity after giving him the order either.

[kane]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jongus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von threethreethree:

Unless something really did change very recently that I haven't noticed and is a bug which needs to be fixed...I never understood player's problems with Mr. K. So I'd like to offer some help and find out what each person is neglecting or isn't doing right. I've never had any issues at all and it's just about knowing how to manage him and a few little details to this end. But these have already been discussed, so instead of listing all the things here which I'd be assuming are the problem(s), somebody give more information about how you do things and the factors in play...and I'll try to see what is the problem in each case.

There is definitely a change in Kelvin's behaviour following the latest update. Previously I could ask him to gather sticks and he'd wander far off into the woods gathering until the holders were filled. Now I've been stood on top of 2 sticks lying on the ground and asked him to gather sticks, and he just nods, then pauses and slaps his head. Sometimes he does gather one or two but quickly gives up. This is especially a problem because with the addition of electric fences my need for sticks has increased greatly.

Yeah i once found him getting sticks a few hundred yards away from were i told him its very strange, The three things i noticed with him was.
He will only get a few sticks after a long time.
Will wander off miles away to get a few.
Will nod his head then just lay down.

[livedasadevil]

Last night after telling Kelvin repeatedly to get sticks and fill holder, even when moving the holders amongst the trees, he simply would not. I then gave up trying to fix my stick economy and ran off to raid a cannibal camp for cloth. Whilst looting cloth like I'm wanting to knit sweaters for Virginia I notice movement in the shrubs nearby.

I look up thinking more cannibals have come back.
Nope.
Kelvin, or should I say Greg.
Finally gathering sticks a mile away from the holders.

For the cannibals to later skewer him with, or for me I'm not entirely sure.
He refuses to pick up sticks when standing on them near/around my construction site but willingly hurtles headfirst into a cannibal cooking pot a mile away to look for them.

When we returned to Camp he must've dropped them somewhere along the way, holders were still empty, Kelvin was empty, my soul was empty.

Can we roll-back to the previous Kelvin, I don't care if he can't swim. In fact I wish the new Kelvin would drown like the old Kelvin. At least then I could do something with him.

[dormis]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Maviba:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sea Prince Gillywix:

Did they change what kelvin can pick up?

No. Collects still everything for me.
But he takes his time for that.
If you don't threat kelvin well, he starts working inefficient or may even refuse working at all.

How can this npc be treated well or badly? Do I have to use the rest command regularly and avoid hitting him or something?

[Warriorsage]

Yeah, Kelvin's off this update. I settle on the cliff peninsula right above the Shovel Cave, so his new lack of efficiency - if he does anything - is VERY noticeable.

He will technically gather logs. Sort of. He will walk right by numerous nearby trees to go pick ones down around the base of the cliff.

Telling him to gather sticks is a complete sh*tshow. He's so bad at it now I'm not even sure how long the command lasts. Four or five tries resulted in seven sticks, after which I gave up.

I asked him to fill the drying rack. He brings back ONE fish.

He'll gather stone, but not any of the ones all along the southern cliff. If a few aren't nearby he'll go all the way down in front of the cave instead.

I have yet to successfully get him to gather rocks this run.

I find he does MUCH better if I do half the work for him, chopping down the trees and stick trees and such. But that kind of defeats the point.

I don't think I've seen him complete a structure, at least not without my help. My 8 planters went unbuilt until I did it myself.

I'd say he just loafs by the fire, but he doesn't currently register whether or not the fireplace is indoors. Since it's against the wall, sometimes he'll sit on the ground on the other side instead. He also enjoys just walking straight into walls for a few seconds.

Gonna repost this in the feedback thread, just in case.

[LILI]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Warriorsage:

Yeah, Kelvin's off this update.
(...)
Gonna repost this in the feedback thread, just in case.

Just read your points in the feedback and suggestion thread before seeing it here, it is a good thing you did it as you have summarised the main points...

There are locations where Kelvin is totally useless, and it includes almost all seaside places.
The pistol beach, the 2 east and west sides of the re-breather cave beach, the south beaches, etc...
And idem if there is a cliff or a canyon somewhere: path-finding says "no!", and he gives you the thumb up before resting...

[Defiance]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Victorious Secret:

My friend and I were seeing basically the same problem. I told him to collect sticks and after 15 minutes he had brought 2 that were nearby when I told him. He spent the rest of the time sitting in a chair.
I really needed them, so I told him again to collect them, and went to get some myself, he would only follow me around and steal them from me by nabbing them off the ground after I would knock down a sapling. It wasn't helping

Exactly the same issue that I had. I think it's some coding mistake they did in the rush to release the patch. His path finding seems worse as well.

[threethreethree]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dormis:

How can this npc be treated well or badly? Do I have to use the rest command regularly and avoid hitting him or something?

Except for the fact that right now he does seem bugged...

Just getting sticks, rocks, stones, logs, and other things...is quite a bit of work, and is a lot of help. If you did just these things by yourself, with no cheats, you'd work your arse off and take much longer to do things...

...if you take Mr. K for granted, smack him in the head because you think it's funny, can't watch out for him when working as if it's so hard to do so, expect him to never get in your way as if you're the only person who's important or doing something, or don't give him breaks occasionally (or you don't understand that he'll take a break in the middle of a job and then continue that job without being told)...then he's probably 'programmed' to get an attitude and tell you to shove it up your arse and do it yourself.

[BodyCount]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jala769:

The only two materials he will grab for me now are stones and rocks. he won't grab sticks and he isn't grabbing logs for me now either.

Ya he is all F'ed up for me also unless I'm standing On the item I want him to get, even then he will go and do his own thing :(

[Mick Savage]

I got him to gather logs this morning but that's it, won't touch sticks or anything else.

[UrbanNoodles]

I start a new game every update and my Kelvin is not collecting sticks. He just stands there, maybe grabs one or two sticks, but ultimately never fills the container or finishes building anything that uses sticks or rocks (He stops grabbing rocks altogether in winter). He will grab stones, arrows, and logs till I tell him to stop. If you want sticks right now, you have to mow the lawn with a log sled and baby sit him as he picks them up slower than you could yourself. I killed my kelvin for this save after I finished my perimeter wall because he's just a door blocker with how useless he is now. I didn't realize how much i needed sticks till he stopped grabbing them.

[threethreethree]

patch today, they fixed Mr. K.