Katana Bias Needs To Stop

[Hanz Bloodletter]

With the wide array of weapons this game has, it shouldn't fall victim to katana bias. And, it doesn't help that the axes themselves sometimes bug out, and don't actually hit the enemy. I shouldn't think to use a katana instead of a fire axe. You know, a weapon that would actually be much better in this scenerio.

Edit: Let me be clear, I don't dislike the weapon. I love that it has come back. And, yes, I know a fire axe doesn't work as a great weapon in real life. But, an actual axe would be much better against armoured enemies, which are what I've been encountering the most off. Instead, I don't need to even use any other weapon, even against large enemies.

Edit 2: Let me also be clear. I do NOT want the Katana changed or nerf. Instead, I'd like the other weapons to be less buggy, and some of them to be a bit more useful. For instance, have different armor types be better affected by the Katana, the axe, the spear, or even maybe the knife. I do not want anything nerf, and actually think the shotgun nerf was a bad idea.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

Originally posted by Dark_Marshal:

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

What is said misinformed opinion? That an axe is better at killing a cannibal wearing primitive body armour than a katana?

gonna be honest with you, katanas a cool for a glass case, axes are great for the wood shed, and Bastard swords (Hand and a half) are the BEST swords around imo

come to think of it I might try and make a mod for one...thats what this games missing, that and a right handed Longbow.

They're basically just as good as other swords though?

[Hellsmoke]

Right so with our constant complaining we got the shotgun nerfed, now the katana is next. Wouldn't want to have too much FUN in this video game we are playing would we?

[Polverrati]

Katana bias? I barely touch melee weapons at all since getting my hands on the crossbow and shotgun. One bolt to the head kills normal cannibals, one slug kills most other enemies, bolts are retrievable and ammo respawns.

If anything, this game has a ranged weapon bias.

[CMDR Dark_Marshal]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

Originally posted by Dark_Marshal:

gonna be honest with you, katanas a cool for a glass case, axes are great for the wood shed, and Bastard swords (Hand and a half) are the BEST swords around imo

come to think of it I might try and make a mod for one...thats what this games missing, that and a right handed Longbow.

They're basically just as good as other swords though?

WRONG The bastard sword is the best sword around! assuming you get it from the right place. The weight feel and everything of them is superior

[Kizuna Dragon]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

With the wide array of weapons this game has, it shouldn't fall victim to katana bias. And, it doesn't help that the axes themselves sometimes bug out, and don't actually hit the enemy. I shouldn't think to use a katana instead of a fire axe. You know, a weapon that would actually be much better in this scenerio.

Edit: Let me be clear, I don't dislike the weapon. I love that it has come back. And, yes, I know a fire axe doesn't work as a great weapon in real life. But, an actual axe would be much better against armoured enemies, which are what I've been encountering the most off. Instead, I don't need to even use any other weapon, even against large enemies.

Funny thing is in RL Katanas are crap swords. yea i said it fite me. The real ones are made of whats called Pig Iron. Japanese steel is a very low quality steel and it takes a lot of smithing to make it anywhere near useful. Katanas are prone to breaking, chipping, bending.

Historically Samurai used their Katana as a last resort weapons, like we would use a pistol in modern military, because it's better than throwing rocks.

Pop culture gave the Katana is legendary status, when in reality it's a mediocre sword at best.

[CMDR Dark_Marshal]

Originally posted by Dragon Gaming:

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

With the wide array of weapons this game has, it shouldn't fall victim to katana bias. And, it doesn't help that the axes themselves sometimes bug out, and don't actually hit the enemy. I shouldn't think to use a katana instead of a fire axe. You know, a weapon that would actually be much better in this scenerio.

Edit: Let me be clear, I don't dislike the weapon. I love that it has come back. And, yes, I know a fire axe doesn't work as a great weapon in real life. But, an actual axe would be much better against armoured enemies, which are what I've been encountering the most off. Instead, I don't need to even use any other weapon, even against large enemies.

Funny thing is in RL Katanas are crap swords. yea i said it fite me. The real ones are made of whats called Pig Iron. Japanese steel is a very low quality steel and it takes a lot of smithing to make it anywhere near useful. Katanas are prone to breaking, chipping, bending.

Historically Samurai used their Katana as a last resort weapons, like we would use a pistol in modern military, because it's better than throwing rocks.

Pop culture gave the Katana is legendary status, when in reality it's a mediocre sword at best.

Thank you, someone whos got sword knowledge

[Hanz Bloodletter]

Originally posted by Dragon Gaming:

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

With the wide array of weapons this game has, it shouldn't fall victim to katana bias. And, it doesn't help that the axes themselves sometimes bug out, and don't actually hit the enemy. I shouldn't think to use a katana instead of a fire axe. You know, a weapon that would actually be much better in this scenerio.

Edit: Let me be clear, I don't dislike the weapon. I love that it has come back. And, yes, I know a fire axe doesn't work as a great weapon in real life. But, an actual axe would be much better against armoured enemies, which are what I've been encountering the most off. Instead, I don't need to even use any other weapon, even against large enemies.

Funny thing is in RL Katanas are crap swords. yea i said it fite me. The real ones are made of whats called Pig Iron. Japanese steel is a very low quality steel and it takes a lot of smithing to make it anywhere near useful. Katanas are prone to breaking, chipping, bending.

Historically Samurai used their Katana as a last resort weapons, like we would use a pistol in modern military, because it's better than throwing rocks.

Pop culture gave the Katana is legendary status, when in reality it's a mediocre sword at best.

Actually, it's been proven wrong that they were made from pig iron. While Japanese ore isn't the best, that doesn't mean that the steel made from the ore can't be good. In fact, many blacksmiths have made superior steel from terrible ore. It's all about how you process the ore, and make it into steel. The Japanese, much like everyone else in the world had a trick for dealing with this issue. As did many places in Europe. Not everywhere in Europe had good quality iron to make steel. So, it was necessary for blacksmiths to develop techniques to counteract this. A channel called 'That Works' has an entire video that is historically accurate that talks about the many misconceptions people think of when they think about medieval steel.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

And, you say the Katana was a last resort. So was the European long sword. The long sword, despite being an effective weapon, was still a sidearm much like the pistol. So, that's claim is blasted out of the water. Also, Samurai usually played the role of mounted archers or light cavalry. So, their main weapons would have been a bow or polearm. Hence why the katana was sidearm. The Metatron also has a video on this with cited sources.

[Kizuna Dragon]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

Originally posted by Dragon Gaming:

Funny thing is in RL Katanas are crap swords. yea i said it fite me. The real ones are made of whats called Pig Iron. Japanese steel is a very low quality steel and it takes a lot of smithing to make it anywhere near useful. Katanas are prone to breaking, chipping, bending.

Historically Samurai used their Katana as a last resort weapons, like we would use a pistol in modern military, because it's better than throwing rocks.

Pop culture gave the Katana is legendary status, when in reality it's a mediocre sword at best.

Actually, it's been proven wrong that they were made from pig iron. While Japanese ore isn't the best, that doesn't mean that the steel made from the ore can't be good. In fact, many blacksmiths have made superior steel from terrible ore. It's all about how you process the ore, and make it into steel. The Japanese, much like everyone else in the world had a trick for dealing with this issue. As did many places in Europe. Not everywhere in Europe had good quality iron to make steel. So, it was necessary for blacksmiths to develop techniques to counteract this. A channel called 'That Works' has an entire video that is historically accurate that talks about the many misconceptions people think of when they think about medieval steel.

except they were make from pig iron, tamahagane has a very high amount of carbon, much higher than other iron deposits. That is what makes it unique and a rather low quality metal. As I said it takes a very skilled smith to make something useable out of it. The fabled katana "folds" were nothing more than folding the metal and pounding it to death to release the excess carbon.

Japanese swordsmiths were probably the best in the world because they had to take a sub par material and work it into something useable.

and I wasn't arguing about Europe vs Japan. The sword as we know it in general was like i said a secondary weapon. Main weapons being the spear or lance in case of Eurpoe and the spear/bow in the Samurai's case.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

Now that sword slander, and historical misinformation are dealt with; Let me respond to a few things. And, I want it to be clear that I am not fully in disagreement with anyone, and I actually love every point that people have made. And, I edited my post to clear up some misunderstanding. Also, though I think a heavy axe is more useful in this scenario, I don't think that because I think the Katana isn't a good weapon for it's time, or for other situations in game. Is it a bad weapon IRL? Yes, because gun. Just like a fireaxe. For it's time? It was a good sidearm.

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Right so with our constant complaining we got the shotgun nerfed, now the katana is next. Wouldn't want to have too much FUN in this video game we are playing would we?

I don't want the Katana nerfed. I think it should stay the way it is. I just think that other weapons should have more usefulness than they do. Because, I haven't found a need for other melee weapons. The crossbow is great for hunting, the compound bow is probably useful for something (just can't figure it out yet), the pistols are great for engaging cannibals, and the shotgun is great for engaging the larger, scarier mutants. The katana seems to basically be a cure-all. A weapon great for everything. And, that shouldn't change. But, as they develop the game, even if this post were never made, the concerns I have will most likely be addressed. As, endnight as a team has improved by leagues as a developer. Every complaint I've ever had has immediately been fixed without me having to even think about sending feedback. And, I hope that the Katana does not get nerfed.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

Originally posted by Dragon Gaming:

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

Actually, it's been proven wrong that they were made from pig iron. While Japanese ore isn't the best, that doesn't mean that the steel made from the ore can't be good. In fact, many blacksmiths have made superior steel from terrible ore. It's all about how you process the ore, and make it into steel. The Japanese, much like everyone else in the world had a trick for dealing with this issue. As did many places in Europe. Not everywhere in Europe had good quality iron to make steel. So, it was necessary for blacksmiths to develop techniques to counteract this. A channel called 'That Works' has an entire video that is historically accurate that talks about the many misconceptions people think of when they think about medieval steel.

except they were make from pig iron, tamahagane has a very high amount of carbon, much higher than other iron deposits. That is what makes it unique and a rather low quality metal. As I said it takes a very skilled smith to make something useable out of it. The fabled katana "folds" were nothing more than folding the metal and pounding it to death to release the excess carbon.

Japanese swordsmiths were probably the best in the world because they had to take a sub par material and work it into something useable.

and I wasn't arguing about Europe vs Japan. The sword as we know it in general was like i said a secondary weapon. Main weapons being the spear or lance in case of Eurpoe and the spear/bow in the Samurai's case.

Alright, I see what you mean now. But, the pig-iron part has actually been researched into, and not all katanas were made from that. Some, especially for military use, were imported from China before direct trade with China was limited by the Tokugawa Shogunate. And, then many katanas did genuinely become made from pig iron, and subpar materials.

[Hanz Bloodletter]

And, I don't mean the katanas were imported, the steel was.

[Wille84FIN]

Yeah, i feel like the Katana needs to be sunk below a mile of water, at least a dozen of sharks and to a dank dark cave under the ocean or something. It's too easy to get, you are too OP after you get it and it completely makes every other melee weapon useless. It doesn't have great stagger though, maybe remove that completely, and make great stagger a heavier melee weapon feature only.

Edit: Also, against armor it's kind of ♥♥♥♥.

[Goatmanpig]

Originally posted by Hanz Bloodletter:

Originally posted by Goatmanpig:

A fire axe makes an absolutely terrible weapon my guy IRL.

A Katana makes a terrible weapon compared to an axe irl.

No it does not, plenty of people have covered it so not gonna

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Right so with our constant complaining we got the shotgun nerfed, now the katana is next. Wouldn't want to have too much FUN in this video game we are playing would we?

The shotgun was nerfed a bit too hard imo, beforehand it was a bit of a delete button though. If anything revert the damage values and just up the enemy spawns as days go on

[Ecanoya]

Originally posted by Wille84:

Yeah, i feel like the Katana needs to be sunk below a mile of water, at least a dozen of sharks and to a dank dark cave under the ocean or something. It's too easy to get

It's in like, the second to last bunker. On the side of the Island where there's currently very little of interest. And you need at least the maintenance and guest keycards now IIRC, so It's a good deal out of the way.