Game lacks discovery and story progression

[redhead9]

As an OG forest player, I felt like I was being told to speed run the game from the start. the player is told where every major poi is located from the start. no need to even google if you want to fast track the game. The game is so dumbed down on the difficulty level that I didn't even flinch when I encountered my first mutated enemies. The caves are all linear and there is little exploring to be found and nearly all progression is super linear. Now, If they do change up the progression and fix the story then that would be great. except I just rolled credits with every item in the game and the progression is already ruined.

The OG Forest had a story that felt like a side plot, until you started discovering more and it hooked you in. You wanted to see how far the rabbit hole would go. This story is a bunch of call backs to the original and linear progression that is just asking to be sped through as nothing slows you down. There are a few moments of clarity and discovery, but they are few and far between.

If the devs do overhaul the story and progression then that would be great, but it would also mean they lied big time. They stated that early access is going to be polish and some "additional Content". If that additional content is not Overhauling the story progression then i'm not seeing a bright future.

[Boatboy261]

yes because its not a finished game yet

[blazha]

So you clearly missed all the info from developers in their Q&A before the game launched

[GrindSultan]

Originally posted by redhead9:

As an OG forest player, I felt like I was being told to speed run the game from the start. the player is told where every major poi is located from the start. no need to even google if you want to fast track the game. The game is so dumbed down on the difficulty level that I didn't even flinch when I encountered my first mutated enemies. The caves are all linear and there is little exploring to be found and nearly all progression is super linear. Now, If they do change up the progression and fix the story then that would be great. except I just rolled credits with every item in the game and the progression is already ruined.

The OG Forest had a story that felt like a side plot, until you started discovering more and it hooked you in. You wanted to see how far the rabbit hole would go. This story is a bunch of call backs to the original and linear progression that is just asking to be sped through as nothing slows you down. There are a few moments of clarity and discovery, but they are few and far between.

If the devs do overhaul the story and progression then that would be great, but it would also mean they lied big time. They stated that early access is going to be polish and some "additional Content". If that additional content is not Overhauling the story progression then i'm not seeing a bright future.

Discovery is obviously not part of your brains processing power.

[redhead9]

Originally posted by Boatboy261:

yes because its not a finished game yet

They announced that it wasn't going to be finished 2 weeks before release. that insinuates that they thought the game was going to be finished and something caused them to change things. currently, they only said they will be adding items and polishing them game. If we take their word then that means that almost all of what we see is final except some new items.

you don't announce a game is going into EA 2 weeks before release because you want to fix the majority of the story.

[Devil Daughter]

Originally posted by redhead9:

Originally posted by Boatboy261:

yes because its not a finished game yet

They announced that it wasn't going to be finished 2 weeks before release. that insinuates that they thought the game was going to be finished and something caused them to change things. currently, they only said they will be adding items and polishing them game. If we take their word then that means that almost all of what we see is final except some new items.

Some day you'll figure out what Early Access means, then you'll feel silly for making this thread.

[The Guy in Your Closet]

Originally posted by Devil Daughter:

Originally posted by redhead9:

They announced that it wasn't going to be finished 2 weeks before release. that insinuates that they thought the game was going to be finished and something caused them to change things. currently, they only said they will be adding items and polishing them game. If we take their word then that means that almost all of what we see is final except some new items.

Some day you'll figure out what Early Access means, then you'll feel silly for making this thread. :sunglassesDoge:

I don’t see why early access needs to mean the game is largely unfinished after 4-5 years. I also don’t get how it’s “early access” after being late multiple times and the release date being the same as the original date for a full release

[redhead9]

Originally posted by Devil Daughter:

Originally posted by redhead9:

They announced that it wasn't going to be finished 2 weeks before release. that insinuates that they thought the game was going to be finished and something caused them to change things. currently, they only said they will be adding items and polishing them game. If we take their word then that means that almost all of what we see is final except some new items.

Some day you'll figure out what Early Access means, then you'll feel silly for making this thread. :sunglassesDoge:

It means jack squat. every game in early access ends up using i differently. some times its to beta test, sometimes its for alpha, sometimes the games don't even work. It currently feels like they have chosen to use it as a cop out for not completing the game. i would respect the choice to use EA access if they had made it clear a year ago when they were hyping the game. not 2 weeks before the big release.

[redhead9]

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

Originally posted by Devil Daughter:

Some day you'll figure out what Early Access means, then you'll feel silly for making this thread. :sunglassesDoge:

I don’t see why early access needs to mean the game is largely unfinished after 4-5 years. I also don’t get how it’s “early access” after being late multiple times and the release date being the same as the original date for a full release

thats why I don't respect the choice. they just slapped the EA tag on it with little warning to be able to fall back on.

[The Guy in Your Closet]

Originally posted by redhead9:

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

I don’t see why early access needs to mean the game is largely unfinished after 4-5 years. I also don’t get how it’s “early access” after being late multiple times and the release date being the same as the original date for a full release

thats why I don't respect the choice. they just slapped the EA tag on it with little warning to be able to fall back on.

I find their actions in deciding EA to just be abuse of the label. They already posted the game as a full game. They shouldn’t have been able to change it once posted.

Their post launch Q&A is completely abysmal as well. Since their initial Q&As with Farket they seem to be taking the “We have plans” and “We can try” approach. The only things that seem to be being worked on are dedicated servers, some form of transportation, and maybe the log sled. That is the worst news they could have delivered

Endnight is truly preparing to shield itself from any liability it will get once their poor practices are noticed

[redhead9]

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

Originally posted by redhead9:

thats why I don't respect the choice. they just slapped the EA tag on it with little warning to be able to fall back on.

I find their actions in deciding EA to just be abuse of the label. They already posted the game as a full game. They shouldn’t have been able to change it once posted.

Their post launch Q&A is completely abysmal as well. Since their initial Q&As with Farket they seem to be taking the “We have plans” and “We can try” approach. The only things that seem to be being worked on are dedicated servers, some form of transportation, and maybe the log sled. That is the worst news they could have delivered

Endnight is truly preparing to shield itself from any liability it will get once their poor practices are noticed

If they were still the small indie team that made the forest 1 then i would give them a lot of slack, but they are the same dev team with experience and about 9 figures of money. The current state is abysmal for what they are capable of.

[blazha]

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

Originally posted by redhead9:

thats why I don't respect the choice. they just slapped the EA tag on it with little warning to be able to fall back on.

I find their actions in deciding EA to just be abuse of the label. They already posted the game as a full game. They shouldn’t have been able to change it once posted.

Their post launch Q&A is completely abysmal as well. Since their initial Q&As with Farket they seem to be taking the “We have plans” and “We can try” approach. The only things that seem to be being worked on are dedicated servers, some form of transportation, and maybe the log sled. That is the worst news they could have delivered

You clearly saw what state game is in, and you are wondering why EA? Developers don't play their games, they have no idea if things are working correctly in any situation and EA is a great source of feedback. They stated that they removed many mechanics and elements from the game to be reworked and maybe added later if needed. The giant mutant from first trailer for example.
If they released full game that would be it, no new content, some small bug fixes and optimisation.
I personally prefer EA over 17 DLC's you need to additionally buy to get couple of new building pieces and skins for your character, like many of the developers are doing nowadays. If you want to help, go to suggestions forum and write what you would like to see added/changed, because that's the only forum devs are actually reading

[The Guy in Your Closet]

Originally posted by blazha:

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

I find their actions in deciding EA to just be abuse of the label. They already posted the game as a full game. They shouldn’t have been able to change it once posted.

Their post launch Q&A is completely abysmal as well. Since their initial Q&As with Farket they seem to be taking the “We have plans” and “We can try” approach. The only things that seem to be being worked on are dedicated servers, some form of transportation, and maybe the log sled. That is the worst news they could have delivered

You clearly saw what state game is in, and you are wondering why EA? Developers don't play their games, they have no idea if things are working correctly in any situation and EA is a great source of feedback. They stated that they removed many mechanics and elements from the game to be reworked and maybe added later if needed. The giant mutant from first trailer for example.
If they released full game that would be it, no new content, some small bug fixes and optimisation.
I personally prefer EA over 17 DLC's you need to additionally buy to get couple of new building pieces and skins for your character, like many of the developers are doing nowadays. If you want to help, go to suggestions forum and write what you would like to see added/changed, because that's the only forum devs are actually reading

They had QA testers in the credits, which I can only assume stands for “Quality Assurance”, how would the game even work at all if no one you know, checks to see if it works? They didn’t get this product on the first try without testing it

You also make it seem like just because they don’t launch the game in EA that they’re just incapable of ever working on the game again. They can release a stable 1.0 version and still update past that

I also don’t think them making this game a full 60 dollar game, or even charging for DLC would make this game better. Endnight for a lack of a better way to say it, is just incapable of delivering a solid product in a timely manner. No amount of money would change that.

[blazha]

Originally posted by The Guy in Your Closet:

Originally posted by blazha:

You clearly saw what state game is in, and you are wondering why EA? Developers don't play their games, they have no idea if things are working correctly in any situation and EA is a great source of feedback. They stated that they removed many mechanics and elements from the game to be reworked and maybe added later if needed. The giant mutant from first trailer for example.
If they released full game that would be it, no new content, some small bug fixes and optimisation.
I personally prefer EA over 17 DLC's you need to additionally buy to get couple of new building pieces and skins for your character, like many of the developers are doing nowadays. If you want to help, go to suggestions forum and write what you would like to see added/changed, because that's the only forum devs are actually reading

They had QA testers in the credits, which I can only assume stands for “Quality Assurance”, how would the game even work at all if no one you know, checks to see if it works? They didn’t get this product on the first try without testing it

You also make it seem like just because they don’t launch the game in EA that they’re just incapable of ever working on the game again. They can release a stable 1.0 version and still update past that

I also don’t think them making this game a full 60 dollar game, or even charging for DLC would make this game better. Endnight for a lack of a better way to say it, is just incapable of delivering a solid product in a timely manner. No amount of money would change that.

This is second game that they are making, I'm sure you can understand that they have zero experience even if their first game was a success.
And those QA testees played the game for 2-3 hours testing only single mechanic. Farket tested building, nothing else. He provided feedback about building and some of his suggestions ended up in the game.

At the end, they can deliver whatever they want to deliver and whenever they want to deliver it. They could announce that they will be abandoning the game instead of releasing it as EA and go work for other developers or whatever. They don't owe any of us anything

[OmnE Shield]

Originally posted by Boatboy261:

yes because its not a finished game yet

♥♥♥♥ sake. You idiots constantly are fooled by games giving themselves "early access" titles. It acts as a complete invulnerability cloak for you like no one can give criticism on how extremely lacking the game is. Everything the OP said is 100% accurate. The map is barren, the terrain is boring, the mutants are forgettable, the story is a joke, the pacing is completely off, there are like 3 real caves to explore and they're linear, the companions are cool but there is so much lost potential with them, there is less to build than the Forest and it's more restrictive, there are no encounters or random events to run into outside of being attacked by cannibals to keep the game interesting. The only reason to play the game is to build and The Forest has a better building system. The only thing Son's of the Forest has that is better than The Forest is the graphics and the animations are much improved. How do you justify a $10 price increase from The Forest when the game is literally half complete?

[OmnE Shield]

Originally posted by Devil Daughter:

Originally posted by redhead9:

They announced that it wasn't going to be finished 2 weeks before release. that insinuates that they thought the game was going to be finished and something caused them to change things. currently, they only said they will be adding items and polishing them game. If we take their word then that means that almost all of what we see is final except some new items.

Some day you'll figure out what Early Access means, then you'll feel silly for making this thread. :sunglassesDoge:

Some day you will realize "early access" is an excuse to sell people a half completed game for a nice cash grab instead of actually trying to produce quality playable content. Can't wait until this game is out of "early access" 5 years from now

It's funny how no one is arguing the OP's statements but can only respond with "eARlY AccESS bRO!"