Realistic plane controls don't feel good at all

[Rexxia]

Much slower and near impossible to complete the tutorial with. Turning is very clunky and is much slower than it should be.

["MrHindsight"]

They feel much better than before, I'm super happy you can actually point the nose down and further yet while dive bombing, and also: loops and such. 👍
But i agree, the vertical sensitivity is too much while the horizontal is too little.
I would love to see sensitivity settings, and possibly separate FOV changes for planes/vehicles.
Also, i'm sure it'll take practice, but the bombs never land where you're aiming, usually too short, but can also drop too high while tying to compensate for the low hits. I always play on realistic, but maybe a ground target indicator for bombs would make practicing easier on lower difficulties?
I completed the tutorial with some practice. I think it needs a little extra bit of attention.
Definitely the correct path though!! Thanks Marco!!!

[Fastkill]

Playing with a mouse, the realistic controls are atrocious. They may be much more satisfying with a controller. Anyway in such small areas it is compicated to implement any realistic flight mechanic.

[Marco Amadei]

Originally posted by Rexxia:

Much slower and near impossible to complete the tutorial with. Turning is very clunky and is much slower than it should be.

If by "Turning" you mean rotating around Yaw axis, then consider that realistic plane controls requires to use realistic turn manouvres, involving Yaw, Pitch and Roll at the same time.

In any case it's possible to change plane control settings to turn using mouse, using keyboard controls or it's possible to use the old simplified model which automatically performs the turn manouvres to rotate the plane toward the looked direction.

[Fastkill]

Originally posted by Marco Amadei Corvostudio:

Originally posted by Rexxia:

Much slower and near impossible to complete the tutorial with. Turning is very clunky and is much slower than it should be.

If by "Turning" you mean rotating around Yaw axis, then consider that realistic plane controls requires to use realistic turn manouvres, involving Yaw, Pitch and Roll at the same time.

In any case it's possible to change plane control settings to turn using mouse, using keyboard controls or it's possible to use the old simplified model which automatically performs the turn manouvres to rotate the plane toward the looked direction.

There is yaw? how to use the rudder? the strafe foot keys didn't seem to work.

[Marco Amadei]

Originally posted by Fastkill:

Originally posted by Marco Amadei Corvostudio:

If by "Turning" you mean rotating around Yaw axis, then consider that realistic plane controls requires to use realistic turn manouvres, involving Yaw, Pitch and Roll at the same time.

In any case it's possible to change plane control settings to turn using mouse, using keyboard controls or it's possible to use the old simplified model which automatically performs the turn manouvres to rotate the plane toward the looked direction.

There is yaw? how to use the rudder? the strafe foot keys didn't seem to work.

Yes of course, with realistic controls using mouse the ruddler is used holding A/D, while with realistic controls using keyboard the ruddler is normally Q/E because A/D is used by roll, but can be changed in controls settings.

This is a demo that shows a dogfight using the new realistic controls involving the correct manouvres that can lead to overcome the simplified control system as it techinmcally allows to a wider range of manouvres.

https://youtu.be/nQxJjfNwUeI

["MrHindsight"]

If the video was a bit longer you'd see how bad the turning is. You can see it here, but it cuts too quick to show how long it actually takes to kill a fighter, not a bomber.
I reverted to og controls immediately after attempting to control the plane in a "realistic way" for awhile.
If you're not going to fix/examine these controls, can you please make the OG controls be able to dive and dip the nose down further while ponting at the ground? There's a hard limit and it sucks. The plane isn't free to move.

Marco, PLEASE PLAY VINCEMUS AIR COMBAT.

THE BEST MOUSE CONTROLS FOR THIS TYPE OF GAME.

PLEASE CONSIDER.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1303010/Vincemus__Air_Combat/

[Marco Amadei]

The video was recorded by me so i know how it continues and anyway the controls have been playtested a lot with various people and there are various configurations because people either love or hate realistic controls so we let the chanche to customize the controls as much as we could. Testers shown that with little practice these controls are easier to pick than war thunder realistic controls in general. Of course killing other planes can take a few minutes, that's the whole point of having realistic controls, dog fighting is not a quick task and the idea is exactly to simulate the situation. The old simplified controls are still there for who doesn't want that level of simulation, however many people have been requesting this new kind of controls for a while

["MrHindsight"]

Well, I appreciate your reply...

You say it was play-tested, and I'm sure it was, but there are already two discussions here regarding plane controls. It needs extra attention in my and others opinions. The play-test should be played by more than a small group of players.

Please add sensitivity settings for "realistic" plane controls if you won't revisit them. This would allow us to use our own "control schemes".

"If you're not going to fix/examine these controls, can you please make the OG controls be able to dive and dip the nose down further while pointing at the ground? There's a hard limit and it sucks when you can't aim the nose down. The plane isn't free to move." It feels restricted in a bad way...

[ZloVeshiy PartiZaN]

Hope in future plane interior also be more realistic?

[Mama_Guma]

New "improved" plane control is terrible. You took all the fun out of flying a plane. Thanks a lot :(((((((((((

[oosw]

Originally posted by Mama_Guma:

New "improved" plane control is terrible. You took all the fun out of flying a plane. Thanks a lot :(((((((((((

Turn off "realistic airplane control" in settings menu and you can roll back to the original simple control scheme.

[Marco Amadei]

Originally posted by Mama_Guma:

New "improved" plane control is terrible. You took all the fun out of flying a plane. Thanks a lot :(((((((((((

The realistic planes controls are completly optional, you can turn them off from pause settings.

[The Murdering Angel]

FWIW, I love love LOVE the realistic controls. While some planes are a little sluggish, they're generally the dive bombers which you would EXPECT to be clunky. While roll sensitivity could be fine-tuned and there's room for little improvements here and there, the overall system is LEAGUES better.

Thank you for implementing it, Marco, I for one am a huge fan of you, your work and the new flight controls. :)

[Ashenfell]

Its a mess. Playing with a Joystick might be ok but with a mouse? They inverted the controls. Like up is down and down is up. I was like WTF? And then i found the option to set it back. And the smile came back to my face. I learned to control the IL Sturmovik bos. Game with a mouse. But my first touch with this was HELP ME!!

[Marco Amadei]

Originally posted by Ashenfell:

Its a mess. Playing with a Joystick might be ok but with a mouse? They inverted the controls. Like up is down and down is up. I was like WTF? And then i found the option to set it back. And the smile came back to my face. I learned to control the IL Sturmovik bos. Game with a mouse. But my first touch with this was HELP ME!!

You can invert Up/Down axis on realistic controls from pause settings tho