Stumped on level 22

[Quinn2win]

The thing that's blocking me is the two non-overlapping red layers in the middle. I've tried to create the red portion as one shape using all kinds of methods, to no avail. I tried building the top two layers and the bottom two layers and then merging those together, but it still compresses it down to 3 layers instead of 4. This thing seems impossible to build. Am I overlooking some trick that makes it doable?

[alexaaro]

What does the shape key say?

[Quinn2win]

CbCuCbCu:Sr------:--CrSrCr:CwCwCwCw

[Zaflis]

Try to combine the white circle and bottom left red cone together to add on top as final layer?
https://viewer.shapez.io/

[Quinn2win]

Viewer link didn't work.

Wouldn't that require me to make the other three red parts as one shape? I'm struggling to figure out how I'd do that, with the circle quarters and the NE spike being different sizes.

[Boomdingo]

I'm also stuck on this. I think the general rule is: If theres nothing on a layer for each shape then it'll shunt the layers above it down. So with a stacker you can only combine 2 shapes at a time which means you'll always end up with some section which can't support itself. Best I've been able to do is get all 4 quadrants on their own and 3 on the same shape but not all 4 :/

[Henk Aarts]

I"m stuck there too. I managed to create al quadrants, but it is impossible to merge them. Because as soon as they get seperated the layers move up and you lose the shape you need.

[Lyle]

I just found my own solution this morning.

I combined the right side middle 2 rows first Sr------:--Cr----
By using extra pieces overlapped then splitting them EX. Sr--Sr--:--CrSr--
https://viewer.shapez.io/ for visual
Then i combined the top 2 objects white circle+ left side of 2nd object
----SrCr:CwCwCwCw
To get the first 3 layers

[Soulseak]

https://ibb.co/pRB9xYC

[Quinn2win]

I followed, as near as I can tell, the EXACT structure of soulsteak's design, and it still doesn't come out right. The top three layers are all built as one shape with the correct structure and layering, but when I paste it onto the bottom layer, it crunches down to 3 layers again.

https://i.imgur.com/vrBjZEo.png

I don't understand the rules of the merger's layer behavior at all. It's frustrating enough to make me want to stop playing if the rest of the game is gonna feel this arbitrary...

[Titan Nya]

Haven't tried this kind of shape yet just trying to make an automated shape maker (just done it) now i'm trying to figure how to make it full auto... so far only auto the copy/paste shape that is quite easy. scalling up should be able to do 4 layers but don't know about this kind of shape with different size in a holed shape... if i manage to figure it out i'll make a post detailling everything but so far it hurt my brain...

[sergetechone]

@Soulseak

Thank for your solution. The concept is working. Now it is just a mass production issue.

The issue is with that type of shape, just like the famous level 18 pre - update, it is the empty space, and when you pack a shape on top of a empty space, the bottom piece is put in place with the top piece. The only way is to figure out a way to place a piece on top to make it small, and cut the unwanted piece. Tricky ...yes ... the only way to 'fool' the assembler.

[EvilBob]

By level 20 we really need a 'shrinker' to get some of these strange little shapes. I still don't understand the metrics behind them and frankly after I managed to bungle through the in game logic for the small part the first time, I was pretty much done with them.

Basically an electrical 4 shape merger where if you put power to a specific slot that piece would always come out small.

[HaulTruck]

Originally posted by Soulseak:

https://ibb.co/pRB9xYC

I have spent half a night trying to make it work. I haven't tried your solution but I am fairly certain that would not work. The red bits would be the same size.

Might be something that changed in the latest version. No matter what you do, if the game can bring together 2 layers into one layer it will do it. In this case the red bits are adjacent layers that are not overlapping, so they will be merged.

[Cutie Patootie]

Still havent figured it out?
https://youtu.be/ANjdfkfuniI
use that video i made, it has worked for a lot of ppl already just make sure u have the trash cans and the rotators right

[Qbert ⭐]

Originally posted by Soulseak:

https://ibb.co/pRB9xYC

I wasn't that wrong, just doing a layer earlier... thanks