Early game soft lock

[superzee]

I have no more wood to mine in my camp. I cannot go into the dungeon until I perform a ritual, which I dont have enough resources to do. I am completely locked out of playing!

[[txc]SparkStorm]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by SparkStorm:

I mined all of the wood and used it to make beds so my people would stop complaining? and farms so i would have food? The issue at hand isnt people spending the resources, the issue is that the game locks you out of leaving completely for the arbitrary reason of "completing a ritual". There's no reason to lock the player out of leaving the base until they do the ritual

How many followers did you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ have? By the time that section of the Tutorial comes up the most followers you have is ONLY FIVE, you don't need to be chopping down every single tree for five beds!

There is no reason not to chop all the trees and use all the resources the game gives you to your advantage as soon as your able to. I happened to make beds and other random stuff. You're pointing out details. but my point still stands. There's no reason to lock the player out of leaving the base until they do the ritual

Stop being argumentative for no reason

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by SparkStorm:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

How many followers did you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ have? By the time that section of the Tutorial comes up the most followers you have is ONLY FIVE, you don't need to be chopping down every single tree for five beds!

There is no reason not to chop all the trees and use all the resources the game gives you to your advantage as soon as your able to. I happened to make beds and other random stuff. You're pointing out details. but my point still stands. There's no reason to lock the player out of leaving the base until they do the ritual

Stop being argumentative for no reason

Then you have no reason to be blaming the game for USER ERROR! This issue is on you and you alone not the game! Correct yourself before you go blaming the game for your errors!

[[txc]SparkStorm]

jesus christ cant quit arguing can you. and even when you cant prove the point wrong you just start insulting. Stop acting like a poor excuse for an intellectual human being and think for a second logically with a situation. though i imagine that's quite difficult with how hard your licking the boots

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by SparkStorm:

jesus christ cant quit arguing can you. and even when you cant prove the point wrong you just start insulting. Stop acting like a poor excuse for an intellectual human being and think for a second logically with a situation. though i imagine that's quite difficult with how hard your licking the boots

Oh sure, I'm the one insulting when your the one causing the issue to begin with because I can tell you in the amount of time I've sent playing Cult NEVER ONCE has the Tutorial even remotely soft-locked because I don't build needless stuff during that phase of the game, The devs can't fix an issue that's likely not even coming from their game to begin with, ever heard of this saying? "you can't fix stupid"

[[txc]SparkStorm]

youre right, i cant fix your stupidity. so i am going to stop trying

[Kohchu]

Let's think about this logically.

if any other game, had an issue like that. People would be complaining about it left and right. But it seems like when a game becomes a 'cult following' no pun intended, people will excuse and defend every bad design flaw in the name of protecting the game. On the one hand, I see why as indie games live or die based on fan popularity, unlike Triple AAA games who have the budget and resources to advertise themselves more.

At the same time, if an issue like this exists, it should be fixed. Any game that has a Sim building section, is giving the Player full control to build and expand their area to their hearts content. Potentially soft locking the Player until more wood sprouts, because of something unrelated they force you to do as part of the tutorial, is pretty stupid. Especially since the majority of games will outright prevent you from wasting all resources, if they KNOW you need them for something else.

Regardless, of Player Skill level, a tutorial should teach the player, not punish them; that's what the game itself is for, if you play poorly. If you need wood to perform the ritual, but used it to build other stuff, the game should not be built in such a way that it locks you off for arbitrary amounts of time. If anything, it should only allow you to build what you need, until you've finished the Tutorial, and then say "Try experimenting on your own." so you now know, you can mess around and do what you want.

[pp]

I'm looking for anyone who has an early game softlock around when the ritual is performed, please add me on Discord: zzz#5836

I will fix your save file and send the broken save to a developer, we are looking for this issue to correct it so people stop getting softlocked!

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by yaya:

I'm looking for anyone who has an early game softlock around when the ritual is performed, please add me on Discord: zzz#5836

I will fix your save file and send the broken save to a developer, we are looking for this issue to correct it so people stop getting softlocked!

This is VERY suspect? Who in their right mind is going to trust someone entirely unknown with a damn file and expect them to hold up their word!

[pp]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by yaya:

I'm looking for anyone who has an early game softlock around when the ritual is performed, please add me on Discord: zzz#5836

I will fix your save file and send the broken save to a developer, we are looking for this issue to correct it so people stop getting softlocked!

This is VERY suspect? Who in their right mind is going to trust someone entirely unknown with a damn file and expect them to hold up their word!

https://i.imgur.com/lbAeygV.png

I swear it's not a lie lool, maybe this is some reassurance. I hang out on the Massive Monster Discord and do directly talk to devs to report bugs. There isn't anything sensitive in your save file unless you are a Twitch Streamer but I'm not going to do anything malicious with your streaming keys. These save files are just decrypted/fixed and your broken save file is sent directly to the dev so they can fix it in the game.

[[txc]SparkStorm]

Originally posted by yaya:

I'm looking for anyone who has an early game softlock around when the ritual is performed, please add me on Discord: zzz#5836

I will fix your save file and send the broken save to a developer, we are looking for this issue to correct it so people stop getting softlocked!

I did have this issue originally. But i just kept spamming days and got past eventually, im well past this point now. if i know of anyone else who has the issue ill send them your way

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by yaya:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

This is VERY suspect? Who in their right mind is going to trust someone entirely unknown with a damn file and expect them to hold up their word!

https://i.imgur.com/lbAeygV.png

I swear it's not a lie lool, maybe this is some reassurance. I hang out on the Massive Monster Discord and do directly talk to devs to report bugs. There isn't anything sensitive in your save file unless you are a Twitch Streamer but I'm not going to do anything malicious with your streaming keys. These save files are just decrypted/fixed and your broken save file is sent directly to the dev so they can fix it in the game.

No that doesn't offer any kind of reassurance because ANYONE on this forum can make the same claim you just did! Unless a dev team member actually confirms what you say is true, trust ZERO!

[pp]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by yaya:

https://i.imgur.com/lbAeygV.png

I swear it's not a lie lool, maybe this is some reassurance. I hang out on the Massive Monster Discord and do directly talk to devs to report bugs. There isn't anything sensitive in your save file unless you are a Twitch Streamer but I'm not going to do anything malicious with your streaming keys. These save files are just decrypted/fixed and your broken save file is sent directly to the dev so they can fix it in the game.

No that doesn't offer any kind of reassurance because ANYONE on this forum can make the same claim you just did! Unless a dev team member actually confirms what you say is true, trust ZERO!

I did ask the dev to vouch for me but they're not currently online! They usually get online in a few hours though.

[pp]

I decided to test this softlock myself since people were talking about it. I ran down my resources before the ritual quest and did not pick up any wood on my Crusade while getting bones. I tested this on every difficulty because Cult decay is different between difficulties and I have to say that it was impossible for me to not grow my trees in time no matter what. I did lose some of my followers but it wasn't to the point that my game ended and I was always able to play it out eventually.

I don't think this is a true softlock because it can be played out unless someone gets bored and wants to send me a save where the game actually ends before the trees regrow.

I recommend turning down your difficulty to easy if you are locked in at this part, it makes your followers live longer with slower hunger decay and can help with dealing with this issue temporarily until your trees regrow! It's not a huge loss to lose a few followers while waiting and you should be able to survive it no matter how bad things are.

Thanks for reporting the issue though! I'm still interested if anyone manages to find a save that does end before the trees regrow. <3

[[txc]SparkStorm]

it's not a true softlock but it took 6-9 days for me to grow enough wood to be able to proceed

[pp]

Originally posted by ATL1 | SparkStorm:

it's not a true softlock but it took 6-9 days for me to grow enough wood to be able to proceed

I had the same result! The devs are still looking for true softlocks though if anyone finds any because they are such important bugs to fix!