The Nerf to teh Gold Ritual

[gen3king]

OK so this was overtuned, right?

This now averages about 150-200 gold for 67 bones.

Bones sell for... 3 gold.

...

67 times 3 = 201.

You make more money from selling the bones.

It needs a buff.

[Vanessa]

Selling stuff decreases the price. You can sell quite literally 1 bone at the price of 3 coins and then it goes down to 2.

But yeah, the ritual is pretty bad now, especially with bones being at a premium more than gold. It needed a nerf but now it's kind of a joke.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Vanessa:

Selling stuff decreases the price. You can sell quite literally 1 bone at the price of 3 coins and then it goes down to 2.

But yeah, the ritual is pretty bad now, especially with bones being at a premium more than gold. It needed a nerf but now it's kind of a joke.

Why does it need changed? When Gold is earned every which way from Sunday since the ritual I'm thinking of is the ritual where your cultists GIVE you money and not the other way around, if that's the case you have so many options to make gold from a maxed out totem which turns devotion into gold, transmuting gold nuggets into gold, etc.

[Alucard †]

Yes the nerf might have been a bit too harsh.
It deserved a nerf no question about it but it recieved one to the point where it's now a waste to perform this ritual.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Alucard †:

Yes the nerf might have been a bit too harsh.
It deserved a nerf no question about it but it recieved one to the point where it's now a waste to perform this ritual.

There's very little reason to do the ritual when you get every single option from Sunday when it comes to making Gold, hell pre-update doing the ritual ONCE gave you more Gold to the point where you didn't need to worry about any of the other options for making Gold, it became popular because it gave so much money all at once so personally it was about to get changed as harsh as it seems to be, doing a ritual once shouldn't make it where all the other options are obsolete, they changed the popular tactic with the fish for the same reason, people used the sell price for certain fish to make more money than you spent getting that fish from the vender at Pilgrims, once that got changed people likely started using the ritual to generate their wealth so this was bound to happen.

[Vanessa]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Vanessa:

Selling stuff decreases the price. You can sell quite literally 1 bone at the price of 3 coins and then it goes down to 2.

But yeah, the ritual is pretty bad now, especially with bones being at a premium more than gold. It needed a nerf but now it's kind of a joke.

Why does it need changed? When Gold is earned every which way from Sunday since the ritual I'm thinking of is the ritual where your cultists GIVE you money and not the other way around, if that's the case you have so many options to make gold from a maxed out totem which turns devotion into gold, transmuting gold nuggets into gold, etc.

The maxed out totem is only gold briefly before you unlock god tears.

Gold generation is pretty tough especially with some future unlocks that can run you hundreds of coins.

Pre-update it was pretty much a non-factor because you do the ritual a few times - heck, literally once if you had enough levels to get up past ~5k and gold stops being a factor.

Now the ritual is simply not worth the bones at all, unless you have a complete surplus for some reason.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Vanessa:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Why does it need changed? When Gold is earned every which way from Sunday since the ritual I'm thinking of is the ritual where your cultists GIVE you money and not the other way around, if that's the case you have so many options to make gold from a maxed out totem which turns devotion into gold, transmuting gold nuggets into gold, etc.

The maxed out totem is only gold briefly before you unlock god tears.

Gold generation is pretty tough especially with some future unlocks that can run you hundreds of coins.

Pre-update it was pretty much a non-factor because you do the ritual a few times - heck, literally once if you had enough levels to get up past ~5k and gold stops being a factor.

Now the ritual is simply not worth the bones at all, unless you have a complete surplus for some reason.

So you somehow expect me to believe that you have ZERO gold nuggets in your inventory? 70 of those can give you 50 Gold coins at a max queued tier 2 Refinery and if you have multiple Refineries then you can easily get into the 100s let alone, there's nothing in the game that warrants having 5K gold much less 1K.
Edit: hell people were COMPLAINING about having TOO MUCH MONEY, you honestly expect the developers not listening to that?

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

"You can just get your money with nugget refining" is not really an argument why why a ritual should be useless. If it gives you almost the same amount of money to just sell the bones then the ritual is worthless. I think it also decreases faith in you by a bit, so it's just downright bad to perform it in this case.

Early game is pretty important in my opinion. It doesn't just due to say "get max cult level and convert everything to cash." You're strapped for cash at the start of your run, not later, and the ritual is supposed to help with that.

I do remember the old version being pretty OP and enriching me immensely, but there has to be a middle ground that exists without being broken or useless.

[Vanessa]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Vanessa:

The maxed out totem is only gold briefly before you unlock god tears.

Gold generation is pretty tough especially with some future unlocks that can run you hundreds of coins.

Pre-update it was pretty much a non-factor because you do the ritual a few times - heck, literally once if you had enough levels to get up past ~5k and gold stops being a factor.

Now the ritual is simply not worth the bones at all, unless you have a complete surplus for some reason.

So you somehow expect me to believe that you have ZERO gold nuggets in your inventory? 70 of those can give you 50 Gold coins at a max queued tier 2 Refinery and if you have multiple Refineries then you can easily get into the 100s let alone, there's nothing in the game that warrants having 5K gold much less 1K.
Edit: hell people were COMPLAINING about having TOO MUCH MONEY, you honestly expect the developers not listening to that?

Well not ZERO. I have one gold nugget.

Each nugget is worth 0.7 coins. They're not exactly worth a lot. To get the last temple upgrade you'd need 700 nuggets. They are hardly your primary source of gold.

And again, to stress, the issue is not that gold generation should be easy, it's that the ritual has gone from overpowered to a total noob trap.

[Alucard †]

Yep pretty much.

No one is saying that it should generate thousands of gold again but the nerf made it give pathetic amount of gold that is just not worth the faith loss or bones.

[Vanessa]

It's not worth the bones, certainly. Faith is a complete non-issue in this game. You can run your Faith into the absolute a dirt with all the negative-faith rituals, do a quick sermon, run out the front of the temple and hit a big ol' group inspire when they come out and jump straight to max Faith no problem.

As for coins, I have a Jerk follower who routinely robs me of ~300 coins every few days, so my pouch has windled from about 7000 to about 2000 since the update. I'm going to be dead broke before long.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Vanessa:

It's not worth the bones, certainly. Faith is a complete non-issue in this game. You can run your Faith into the absolute a dirt with all the negative-faith rituals, do a quick sermon, run out the front of the temple and hit a big ol' group inspire when they come out and jump straight to max Faith no problem.

Speaking of Sermons a little offtopic but i noticed Devotee Cult Trait is possibly bugged in recent update.
It subtracts the 15 bonus Faith immediately after applying it once the Sermon ends.
(Which is quite problematic in low Faith situations i might add)

I was able to reproduce it consistently on my recent playthrough.

[Caretaker]

Just make the station that lets you break down gold nuggets. I never dip below 7k gold and that's with me dropping thousands on fish, food, and seeds.

[Vanessa]

I don't know where you people are getting 10k+ gold nuggets from. I've probably made a few hundred gold total from nuggets in ~250 days

[Caretaker]

Offerings. I have about 20 or so at the bottom of my cult. I get tons every days.

[Caretaker]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3142504098

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3142504118

This is also after I dumped about 6k worth of gold. That batch of nuggets alone is at least another couple thousand gold coins.