Purgatory cooldown is awful

[Lunaedge]

Remove it. There's literally no reason for it to exist. It just makes the mode a miserable experience for people who want to focus on it.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Find ways to pass time chap, meditate, fish, DO SOMETHING, time passes faster when you're actively doing something instead of waiting for time to pass.

[Lunaedge]

Originally posted by 76561197988726739:

Find ways to pass time chap, meditate, fish, DO SOMETHING, time passes faster when you're actively doing something instead of waiting for time to pass.

That doesn't address my argument nor the actual problem. The wait is completely pointless, and even more aggravating when you already did everything else in the game and just want to do purgatory challenges.

Just remove it. It makes the game worse for no good reason whatsoever.

[Ailes]

I think OP is right. It's a cheap way to extend playing time. Such needless timegating is what I would normally expect from trashy mobile or abusive F2P games. I've done everything else in the game too, I don't need or want to go fishing or whatever. There is basically only that purgatory left for me but I'm not gonna do it any further because I don't want to waste time just waiting for days to pass.

Or maybe allow us to sacrifice followers to re-enable purgatory or somesuch. I've got no shortage of those and constantly have followers on missions getting more plus that spider creature selling them and so on. Other people might get incentivized to do normal crusades to get more followers to sacrifice for purgatory. I'm sure the devs could cook some interesting gameplay loop up there.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Ailes:

I think OP is right. It's a cheap way to extend playing time. Such needless timegating is what I would normally expect from trashy mobile or abusive F2P games. I've done everything else in the game too, I don't need or want to go fishing or whatever. There is basically only that purgatory left for me but I'm not gonna do it any further because I don't want to waste time just waiting for days to pass.

Or maybe allow us to sacrifice followers to re-enable purgatory or somesuch. I've got no shortage of those and constantly have followers on missions getting more plus that spider creature selling them and so on. Other people might get incentivized to do normal crusades to get more followers to sacrifice for purgatory. I'm sure the devs could cook some interesting gameplay loop up there.

Overreacting much?
It's not like the cooldown is several real life hours like it happens commonly in said trashy f2p games you mentioned.

Barely few minutes which can be sped up.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Alucard †:

Originally posted by Ailes:

I think OP is right. It's a cheap way to extend playing time. Such needless timegating is what I would normally expect from trashy mobile or abusive F2P games. I've done everything else in the game too, I don't need or want to go fishing or whatever. There is basically only that purgatory left for me but I'm not gonna do it any further because I don't want to waste time just waiting for days to pass.

Or maybe allow us to sacrifice followers to re-enable purgatory or somesuch. I've got no shortage of those and constantly have followers on missions getting more plus that spider creature selling them and so on. Other people might get incentivized to do normal crusades to get more followers to sacrifice for purgatory. I'm sure the devs could cook some interesting gameplay loop up there.

Overreacting much?
It's not like the cooldown is several real life hours like it happens commonly in said trashy f2p games you mentioned.

Barely few minutes which can be sped up.

Especially since the cooldown's till the following morning meaning doing them during the night means a short wait between runs.

[Ailes]

Alright, perfect game with nohing to criticize, I get it. Sorry, didn't mean to burst that "overwhelmingly positive" bubble. Just ignore the suggestions I made to make this a potentially better experience. My bad.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Ailes:

Alright, perfect game with nohing to criticize, I get it. Sorry, didn't mean to burst that "overwhelmingly positive" bubble. Just ignore the suggestions I made to make this a potentially better experience. My bad.

Except what you're "criticizing" is barely worth much if any because there's ♥♥♥♥ already in-game that can speed up time, hell there's an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic for it but for some damn reason people that complain about the wait between Purgatory runs REFUSE TO USE IT!

[Lunaedge]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Except what you're "criticizing" is barely worth much if any because there's ♥♥♥♥ already in-game that can speed up time, hell there's an entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic for it but for some damn reason people that complain about the wait between Purgatory runs REFUSE TO USE IT!

1- Meditating is too slow of a fast-forward, and still makes you wait when there is absolutely no point for that anyway;
2- Interestingly, it's the one mechanic the game never teaches you. I had to read forum discussion to realize it was even a thing;
3- ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ why are you so angry. It's like you're the dev who thought the entire thing was the greatest idea or something.

Originally posted by Alucard †:

Overreacting much?

We're raising a valid point about the game utterly wasting your time for no good reason. Nobody is overreacting here.

Also not "just a few minutes". It adds up to several or even hours when you're doing multiple challenges, especially considering a good bunch of your runs won't be successful.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Lunaedge:

Also not "just a few minutes". It adds up to several or even hours when you're doing multiple challenges

You flunked math didn't you? ;)

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Lunaedge:

1- Meditating is too slow of a fast-forward, and still makes you wait when there is absolutely no point for that anyway;
2- Interestingly, it's the one mechanic the game never teaches you. I had to read forum discussion to realize it was even a thing;
3- ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ why are you so angry. It's like you're the dev who thought the entire thing was the greatest idea or something.

Meditating speeds up time x2 it normally would which is good enough on its own, what you seem to be asking is an instant "hey want it to be the following morning instantly" button which you will only get if you enable the sleep and eat conditions for your lamb, also "the game never teaches you" is this your first Rogue game? The whole point to a Rogue style game is intentional limitation of information given to the player, there's plenty of mechanics that are never communicated to the player because your expected to learn about them yourself, like for example after a Bishop's death breaking their shrines will open a portal so you can redo the fight with the Bishop which will be a requirement for the achievements of beating them without taking any damage.

[Lunaedge]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Meditating speeds up time x2 it normally would which is good enough on its own, what you seem to be asking is an instant "hey want it to be the following morning instantly" button which you will only get if you enable the sleep and eat conditions for your lamb, also "the game never teaches you" is this your first Rogue game? The whole point to a Rogue style game is intentional limitation of information given to the player, there's plenty of mechanics that are never communicated to the player because your expected to learn about them yourself, like for example after a Bishop's death breaking their shrines will open a portal so you can redo the fight with the Bishop which will be a requirement for the achievements of beating them without taking any damage.

I'm asking for something even better actually: remove the cooldown entirely. Don't have it tied to time passage at all, as it is completely pointless.

The bishop idol thing is not really analogous to meditating, as one affects one of the major mechanics of the game and the other is just a minor feature that most players are going to find out eventually since attacking is your main way of interacting with the game in crusades and the game does teach you to, you know, attack things.

The command for meditating, meanwhile, is never mentioned to the player as far as I remember and is part of a phase that already has several different and much more obvious elements competing for your attention.

Finally, that's not the point of Rogue games. Rogue games are not defined by obscuring mechanics or not explaining them. Any game can do a poor job of conveying information to the player.

[Xerrai]

I was never bothered by the time between challenges. I thought it was meant to forcefully pace certain players from just blitzing through the challenges or earning all desired god tear rewards too quickly.

It's not much of a wait if you either fish or go back to the cult...or just go to the default dungeons. And I am speaking as someone who didn't know about the meditation button until I read this thread. Other than earning currency for RNG roulette, I don't think people are exactly missing much.

But I do like the idea of sacrificing followers to potentially bypass the cooldown. If people want to reach purgatory that badly, a cult member sacrifice seems like a nice substitute for forced wait time.

[Lunaedge]

Originally posted by Xerrai:

I was never bothered by the time between challenges. I thought it was meant to forcefully pace certain players from just blitzing through the challenges or earning all desired god tear rewards too quickly.

But there's literally no problem if a player wants to blitz through them or farm god tears. It's their choice to do so and none of that breaks or skips anything in other parts of the game. It's like the devs are saying "we made this but don't want you to enjoy it THAT much".

Imagine if every other game timegated modes or minigames other than the main one, just because. How asinine that would be.

[Massive_CM]

Hi all! Thank you for your feedback, certainly valid and I have passed it to the rest of the team.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Massive_CM:

Hi all! Thank you for your feedback, certainly valid and I have passed it to the rest of the team.

You do understand you'll have to remove dialog from the Merchant since they inform the player about the cooldown right?