No Britain at launch

[Mightymagyar]

Insane.

[marcopolomalta]

Originally posted by mgdaspley:

To me this is an insult which I can only think comes from one, or a combination of, the following: 1. American exceptionalism - to have so many civs/leaders from a country officially less than 250 years old but which likes to think it rules the world; 2. racism - someone high up in the development team has a deep seated loathing of this country, its people and culture; 3. woke-ism, I noticed that when QE2 died many American news podcasts majored on how evil the British Empire was rather than paying respect to a deeply admired World leader. True this country exploited a lot of others and caused a lot of misery round the World, but why do they fete someone like Napoleon, responsible for the deaths of millions between the 1790s and 1815. Ah, yes, he only killed Europeans and was French, not British, so that's all right then. Like a fool I pre-bought this game but I will not be playing it despite 10,000 hours of play of Civ from Civ II onwards. It makes me very angry and very sad in equal measure

We need to start fighting back at these resentful toads. As my username implies, my family comes from a former British colony, and there was a lot more good that came from the empire than bad. The whole modern world exists thanks to Britain and the empire.

[Iced Lenin]

Originally posted by Magnapinna Pacifica:

There's Normans so that's England. What they'll need to add as time goes on are:
Something in Antiquity to represent the pre-Norman British Isles, Angles perhaps. Or who knows, Druid-led peoples? Northern celts?
Something after the Normans in the Exploration Age. I see there are two different versions of France in modernity - the French Empire or just France. I would assume the same of the British Empire

The Normans invaded England and over time were either assimilated or driven out. Saying they represent England as an exploration era civ is like saying Mongolia supersedes the need for a China civ. Also strange how China and India get to exist through all 3 eras but Britain gets 0.

[marcopolomalta]

Bloody ordered it anyway. Gives me something to ♥♥♥♥♥ over if Britannia isn't represented in some way at launch. By rights should be there is some aspect. Half the civs and leaders included aren't even recognised by most folk. Ordered Ara too as only been playing that on game pass and want to support the competition.

[Fleetwood]

Originally posted by mgdaspley:

To me this is an insult which I can only think comes from one, or a combination of, the following: 1. American exceptionalism - to have so many civs/leaders from a country officially less than 250 years old but which likes to think it rules the world; 2. racism - someone high up in the development team has a deep seated loathing of this country, its people and culture; 3. woke-ism, I noticed that when QE2 died many American news podcasts majored on how evil the British Empire was rather than paying respect to a deeply admired World leader. True this country exploited a lot of others and caused a lot of misery round the World, but why do they fete someone like Napoleon, responsible for the deaths of millions between the 1790s and 1815. Ah, yes, he only killed Europeans and was French, not British, so that's all right then. Like a fool I pre-bought this game but I will not be playing it despite 10,000 hours of play of Civ from Civ II onwards. It makes me very angry and very sad in equal measure

I wasn't going to buy it but now I think spending the $75 will be worth it just to make you cry.

[TREXINATUX]

Imagine a game with Britain fighting England fighting Wessex fighting the Danelaw fighting the Celts Fighting Brittania Fighting the Bell Beakers all at the same time.

[Oaks]

The Brits probably won't be around until the second dlc pack.

The first dlc pack, Crossroads of the World, based on the name, will probably have to do with the Eastern Mediterranean, so Ottomans, Babylon, Phonecia.

The second dlc pack in September, Right to Rule, will probably be a more British Isles focused pack and have Celts, English, and so on.

[Lazylukey]

I just caught wind of this, its crazy they wouldn't have either England (or Britain) at launch. I have played as England for at least one game in nearly every Civ game since Civ 1 on the Amiga (yes I am old :()

[Martin]

Originally posted by Mightymagyar:

Insane.

Maybe a Modern Civ?

[mentally disabled]

It's better to wait a little; It is not worth buying at the start for THAT price

[Drorith]

Would love to see King Alfred the great or King Richard the Lionheart and perhaps Winston Churchill :)

[wildcardbitches]

Originally posted by Drorith:

Would love to see King Alfred the great or King Richard the Lionheart and perhaps Winston Churchill :)

They will probably skip Churchill for Neville Chamberlain

[Westy]

I have played every civilization game since the first one. I cant remember if i played the first one on my amiga or and old 386 pc. i had originally pre ordered this game and have cancelled that as england arent in the game or havent been confirmed to be in the game. I wont buy this game till england are added as i really only want to play as my own country. such a shame, i would rather the game stayed as a pick your own country, like all other civs before, right through till the end (or till your computer cant handle how far you get in the game) and i dont like the idea of swapping leaders/nationalities to progress the game but i was still looking forward to a new civ game and now i have no interest at all. Youd at least expect them to be in the exploration age although id have to reluctantly pick some random unwanted nation or character to even get to that stage. First time ive been so unimpressed with a civ game that i wont buy it at launch. Maybe a play through with 1 civ could get added at a later date, id definitely pay extra for that over this.

[Axion]

but many Civ's could evolve in to England/British the Celt, Viking, German's, French. They all made England/Britain what it is or should i say was.

[ABitWhippet]

Originally posted by Iced Lenin:

Originally posted by Magnapinna Pacifica:

There's Normans so that's England. What they'll need to add as time goes on are:
Something in Antiquity to represent the pre-Norman British Isles, Angles perhaps. Or who knows, Druid-led peoples? Northern celts?
Something after the Normans in the Exploration Age. I see there are two different versions of France in modernity - the French Empire or just France. I would assume the same of the British Empire

The Normans invaded England and over time were either assimilated or driven out. Saying they represent England as an exploration era civ is like saying Mongolia supersedes the need for a China civ. Also strange how China and India get to exist through all 3 eras but Britain gets 0.

It's a valid opinion that the Normans are the most successful culture in history, they managed to assimilate themselves into Northern and Western Europe as the ruling class really up until the early 1900's. Here's a game for you, find anyone with a decent grasp of British classes, and ask them to give you a random upper class name. They'll surely give you an over the top Norman name - Burnly Wittington-Smythe or Jonty Featherstonehaught or something like that.

The Normans lorded over all of Europe and mostly stayed immune from the wars, and strife, treating it more as sport or a game. Certainly the odd third son who joined the army for an adventure as a Captain or higher got shot in some far off land, but mostly, if a Norman descended family wanted to lounge about their stately home and admire their vast plant collections, compete with each other as to who could have the most fashionable estate and buy up the entire country as their private property, there was nothing to stop them doing exactly that.

To this day, there are families whose eldest son has a right to participate in the rule of the country as part of the house of lords, (not to mention the various royals) and they aren't Anglo Saxons, Celts or Beaker People. They are Norman descended, and can often trace their linage back to the land given to their family by William the Conqueror. I never quite got this until my wife took up a hobby of photographing stately houses - the ones still lived in and run by the families, and even in this modern age, its quite shocking how the other half live. (And shocking how money really cannot buy taste!)

[Verenti]

Arguably, the Anglo Saxons assimilated into Norman considering something like 40% of our vocabulary is from France.

I don't think the Normans represent England per se. No more than they represent France in that era. If they do, it's Anglevin England, which isn't really most people's fantasy for the Age of Exploration when it comes to England.

I did preorder the founder's edition, but, my god, the dropped the ball on some of this. Japan only available from the Modern Era (no Samurai, huh?), no England, two countries that had exploration expeditions, only one actually colonised.

Yet the objectives of the Exploration age look like they're simulating countries that aren't even in the game. They're all about the European experience of the 16c - 17c, yet those countries are excluded from the game? Whose fantasy is this fulfilling? Not the anti-colonialists, as you still colonise. Not the pro-colonial audience, you can't play anyone but Spain.

When I sit down to a game like civ, I choose my civ based on a fantasy I want to experience. Build a vast colonial empire, rule the waves, build an industrial powerhouse, a trade empire, etc etc. but making people choose the country they dislike the least and then forcing some narratives on their country? I'm here for it, but it's weird, y'know? How all the streamers are like "now you get a civ useful for each age" is weird. I never complained that my unique units were tied to a specific era. That never mattered to me.

The press for this game is weird, man. It feels they have talking points given to them.