🌈Please make Alexander the Great queer!

[Apexnexius]

Representation

A non-normative leader in Civilization 7.

Long time Sid Meier fan here (been playing since Civ1, back in '92),

Many of us serious hardcore strategy gamers who love history know that Alexander the Great was queer. Who better to represent that aspect of humanity other than Alexander the Great himself?

Firaxis. Please make Alexander the Great a proud strong in-game leader that portrays these traits and aspects of our human civilization and culture.

Most of us hardcore strategy gamers are adults these days and mature about it. We can handle it and we would for sure appreciate it.

Thank you in advance for listening to us in the community. <3

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by Lee:

The only thing is Alexander the Great did not live in the modern age. What you want to see really only started appearing in the modern age.

Look up Greek history, especially antiquity. You might find it interesting.

[A Humble Fry Cook]

He was not queer, he was bisexual. In those times while campaigning they would often have male lovers. That was during campaign where there were not women. When they returned home they would be with their women.

This game is already wildly inaccurate historically, so you will probably get what your asking for regardless of reality.

[Fluff Bunny]

Lots of rulers in the game probably had non-strictly hetero sexual proclivities. Certainly, Alexander was known to like men and women, and NOT just whilst campaigning.

In classical times it was considered weird not to be bisexual... Although being a full-grown man in the passive role was looked on as effeminate and they would be persecuted for it, topping was considered OK.

Same with Romans to a lesser degree. Business agreements, contracts and negotiations would often be followed by sexually pleasuring each other.

Cleopatra probably wasn't 100% hetero either from some accounts.

We've had presidents who, although not gay, engaged in cross dressing, represented by CIV.

Civ has had lots of not strictly hetero rulers and... Not made a big deal of it, nor should they. Sexuality has never been an important ruler trait in the game, and I don't see a way of making it such.

If they wanted to hint about it subtly in the flavour texts of Caesar, or Alexander, Cleopatra, or Roosevelt... That's fine... But it shouldn't be made a big deal.

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by Lee:

Originally posted by Seekrt:

Look up Greek history, especially antiquity. You might find it interesting.

Have you looked it up? In ancient Greece, there was a practice of where an older male would teach a younger male before the younger one got married. Most of them did not develop a long-time relationship. Both males did not develop feelings for each other. There were exceptions, but they were few in number.

Are you mixing sex and love interest?

[Seekrt]

Homosexual and bisesxual behaviours are nothing new under the sun. Not even going to talk about bestiality.

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by Lee:

Originally posted by Seekrt:

Are you mixing sex and love interest?

I am saying that in ancient times long-term same sex relationships were not a common practice. Same sex activity (not just sex) was completely different then today They were used in different ways.

Ok, got it.

[Kidkiedis]

I don't care who he slept with, so please keep it away from my game. Thank you.

[OGeceBuSene]

derdini sikem ya :D:D

[Syz.]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198002720564
what this guy said

[Trey]

keep you'r agenda away from this

[LockedandFiring]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, QUIT giving these people awards! This points farming needs to stop

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Fluff Bunny:

Lots of rulers in the game probably had non-strictly hetero sexual proclivities. Certainly, Alexander was known to like men and women, and NOT just whilst campaigning.

In classical times it was considered weird not to be bisexual... Although being a full-grown man in the passive role was looked on as effeminate and they would be persecuted for it, topping was considered OK.

Same with Romans to a lesser degree. Business agreements, contracts and negotiations would often be followed by sexually pleasuring each other.

Literally none of that is true and is just a narrative Hollywood and agenda pushing "academics" have created. Homosexuality was looked down upon by Greeks and Romans alike. Romans frequently tried to label their political rivals as gay to slander them and countless Greek stoics/scholars heavily criticized pederasty/homosexuality. Bisexuality was also criticized to the same degree and seen as degenerate.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by Apexnexius:

Alexander the Great was queer.

That doesn't mean anything in a strategy game. This isn't a dating game. There are no relationships. There's no breeding.

You wouldn't ask for queers in Anno 117. This game is no different.

Civilization is a light version of world politics.

You should be posting this stuff in a Role-Playing or Action/Adventure forum where the characters have deeper and more meaningful relationships with each other.

At best, leaders in Civ games speak briefly over the phone.

And then they declare war on each other.

[Vorpal Spoon]

Almost everyone plays Civilization to enjoy a strategy game that encompasses different cultures, and then puts these cultures together in policy and war.

Does the Civ leader representing said culture somehow represent the sexual preferences of every single individual in that society?

Here's something you should consider: If we are going to flesh out preferences for these toons, how about the hadiths of the prophet Muhammad, and every culture represented as a Muslim culture, and the practice of jihad in regards to these differences?

Historically speaking (since that is the topic), religious cultures shunned and forbid the practice. even today.

So if you're playing Civ to make your private parts feel special, then you are playing Civ for the wrong reason.

[Blehh.....]

Originally posted by Let's go Brandon!:

He was not queer, he was bisexual. In those times while campaigning they would often have male lovers. That was during campaign where there were not women. When they returned home they would be with their women.

This game is already wildly inaccurate historically, so you will probably get what your asking for regardless of reality.

so where do you go to play historical acurate games?