Mexico

[SLG]

https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/mexico/

[katzenkrimis]

La Cucaracha!

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba!

[Xyaphiel]

Unique infrastructure: catedral
All european and catholic civs right now : ????

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by Xyaphiel:

Unique infrastructure: catedral
All european and catholic civs right now : ????

The catedral is not described as having any religious impact. It is instead a culture building that gets happiness adjacency from other culture buildings.

Religion is described as being most important in the Exploration Age. Here in the modern it perhaps fades into a wider cultural impact. Fundamentalists tend to accuse mainstream churches of having gone secular, so these catedrals fit that pattern.

As for cathedrals having started out as a feature of the Catholic religion in particular, by the Modern Age,when religions don't seem to be competing with each other anymore, does a confessional identity implied by the name really matter anymore?

[Xyaphiel]

Religious infrastructure and relics produce culture in Civilization VII. Faith does not exist in the game.

Formerly Catholic countries continue to build or maintain cathedrals even today (modern age so).

Mexico is not the first country to build them, nor the last. And if it builds them it is due to the colonial cultural influence of European countries, especially Spain. If we were to follow a game of civ 6 we could almost say that Mexico builds cathedrals because it lost to Spain in tourism.

I have nothing against the idea that Mexico can build cathedrals. But I am shocked that it is the only one who can do it, it makes no sense and is almost cultural theft.

Besides, if there is a country whose identity is most deeply linked to cathedrals, which has most influenced cathedral architecture and Christian art, and which has the most distinctive cathedrals, it is France. On the subject of cathedrals, we think of Mexico well after Italy, Spain or Germany.

[plaguepenguin]

The overall gap in what has been revealed about Civ 7 so far is information about the generic stuff, what every civ gets to build. We are told the details about each civ's uniques, and we get a sort of broad-brush introduction to the novel mechanics, but we really don't know yet any of the details of what the tech and civics trees unlock for every civ.

We don't know if the Modern Age will have a generic religious building, as Antiquity has altars, and Exploration has temples -- presumably as a happiness and culture building. If there is such, perhaps it will be called a cathedral, though I suspect it would be called something more generic. "Cathedral" and "catedral" are easily distinguishable, if they do end up calling the generic building a cathedral. If they call it something else, it will still be the case that every Modern civ gets to build them, so no cultural expropriation by Mexico.

[anynamewilldo]

Ben Franklin the USA leader has a trait about firehouses if i understand correctly. It isn't fair. The USA probably didn't invent fighting fires and if i'm not mistaken there is at least one other firehouse in the world not in the USA. I will not buy this game. I have 666,001,001
hours in civ games so listen to me and not buy this game.

[Xyaphiel]

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

If there is such, perhaps it will be called a cathedral, though I suspect it would be"Cathedral" and "catedral" are easily distinguishable

Catedral is litteraly cathedral in spanish, so no, it's not distinguishable, especially in the Spanish version of the game

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by Xyaphiel:

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

If there is such, perhaps it will be called a cathedral, though I suspect it would be"Cathedral" and "catedral" are easily distinguishable

Catedral is litteraly cathedral in spanish, so no, it's not distinguishable, especially in the Spanish version of the game

So, sure, the generic Modern Age religious building (if there is going to be one) won't be called a "cathedral", at least in the Spanish language version of the game. Maybe it will be called a basilica, or perhaps any one of the third tier religious buildings from Civ 6. That or they change the name of Mexico's unique building to "basilica" in the Spanish version.

It is of course also possible that the Modern Age will not have any sort of generic religious buildings. One important role of altars and temples in the game seems to be largely to provide happiness and culture. Maybe in the Modern Age secular buildings take on that role -- so there won't be any naming conflict at all.

[plaguepenguin]

On reviewing the Mexico game guide I was reminded that their wonder, the Palacio de Bellas Artes, is described as having great works slots.

Have great works for Civ 7 been mentioned before in any of the reveals or livestreams?

Of course everything the devs have released has focused on the new civs, the new leaders, and the new mechanics. That's quite reasonable. But that has left us in the dark about what features remain as carryover from 6. The new features become more or less important based almost entirely on how they interact with the carryover features they haven't yet talked about, so I think it's really important to review what scattered tidbits we can piece together on how the baseline carryover stuff works.

Obviously, great works are a carryover feature. Beyond this mention of them in Mexico's wonder, do we know anything more about them in 7?

[evolena]

Not that I know of, but we will probably learn more during the Modern Age livestream next week.

[SLG]

I believe there was a discussion about something similar in one of the livestreams.

[plaguepenguin]

I just reviewed the Antiquity livestream, and noticed that Carl Harrison, who was driving, tended to hover the mouse over all the options that happened to be onscreen so that viewers could get a look at the details in the tooltips. None of the standard carryover from Civ 6 cultural elements (including great works) was talked about, but as the discussion droned on you could see on the screen that amphitheaters were a building unlocked pretty early on the generic culture tree. Sadly, while the happiness and culture effects of the building were displayed, there was no mention of the amphitheater generating great work points.

So, they have the first culture building from Civ 6 early in Antiquity, and we know you get great works somehow by the Modern. I will review the Exploration Age livestream today to see if there are any further tidbits. I hope Carl is driving so that I can get some screens that go into the good background stuff, while the participants are droning on about stuff they've already emphasized.