People’s job are at steak

[Elzeruth]

I get having a little trolling fun, I used to browse /b/ back in 2019. But you guys really need to lock in. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who’s lives depend on this game succeeding. Just food for thought before you gloat.

[z3rk]

I'll bite on this 'seems to be' ragebait

I never really understood this 'people lives/work depends on it' claim,

Do i owe them/this studio/this game something? Do people who are bad or making bad things should be appreciated just because they worked really hard/long on the thing even if the end result is poor? Is this a charity? If so, why fixed prices and no 'obligatory buying option, just for the support

If I hired a guy to make my bathroom, he would work really long and hard but at the end my bathroom looked like Saigon after the siege, should i shrugg shoulders and pay him anyway just because he worked on it and his life/work depends on it? I guess no,

Same if i bought something that was marketed differently than the product that was provided in the end, does that mean that i should think about others?

If i'm going to do a crap job at my current work, then it is on me, consequences are on me and nobody cares, whether i 'worked really hard' and my life dependend on the salary, especially not the employer that would discard me faster than a toddler consuming something very bitter.

Somehow it is normal for almost everything price=expectations, but this comment here and maybe in movie production is being raised time and time again, this emotional blackmail that suddenly here, we should forgo our expectations, the opinion on delivered product or anything because the wellbeing of people who made this crap, is in our hands. it's not, it is in their hands, garbage in, garbage out.

Well, we don't, i surely don't, action = reaction, and people are losing/changing there job everytime, even being replaced by AI when the work they are doing is great, but it's not that efficient, well, tough luck.

[Uso]

Steak? Yum

[keviinb]

People’s job are at steak - lol no luck for the veggies

[anynamewilldo]

Give the guy a brake.

[Rhapsody]

If someone lost their job just because fools were being fools on these foolish Steam forums... well, I don't know how I should react that to that, but aside from that, I don't think anyone here has that kind of power to begin with. The world won't run out of idiocy here.

[steven777]

'Food for thought' indeed.

You really need to cheque your spelling before you right things down. Not just prey they are correct. It's just plane English deer. How could you not no this. Eye can't believe it.

[SpitfireMkVIII]

Originally posted by anynamewilldo:

Give the guy a brake.

I see what you did their.

[BLaCKoNi666]

I am going out on a limb and going to say if you make a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ product you deserve to lose your job. Someone offered to gift me a free copy, I declined because I dont even want to waste the bandwidth downloading this and I have played every Civ game since Civ 3.

[Esau]

Originally posted by Elzeruth:

I get having a little trolling fun, I used to browse /b/ back in 2019. But you guys really need to lock in. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who’s lives depend on this game succeeding. Just food for thought before you gloat.

I do not care. If I do poorly at my job, I lose my job. That is the ideal situation of ANY corporate structure. They are making an entertainment product, it is not the consumer's job to ensure they keep it, it is theirs. As with all stood high on the soapbox, you beg for humanitarianism from the community, yet do not offer your home to the needy. In other words, if you feel so strongly about the livelihood of Firaxis employees, why don't you go ahead and buy 1000 copies of the game to support them?

The fact of the matter is Firaxis has arrived in the situation they are due to their actions. If they wish to avoid being in a situation like this, maybe they should revise their actions.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Esau:

If I do poorly at my job, I lose my job. That is the ideal situation of ANY corporate structure.

Often the ideal in corporate structure seems to be that people in powerful positions get to keep their jobs and bonuses regardless of anything, while the lower level employees get laid off, loaded with unreasonable tasks or suffer other abuses.

[MisuCra]

Ok mate. Here is the deal with every business. As a business you are owed nothing. You either make or provide something good or you go out of business. It is that simple.

They made something that is bad. They are tone deaf to market and paid the price for it.

So no need to try to guilt-trip people here. Company messed up, now they are paying the price. If the game was good, we wouldn't be having this conversation and they would be running around making victory laps. The End.

[Esau]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by Esau:

If I do poorly at my job, I lose my job. That is the ideal situation of ANY corporate structure.

Often the ideal in corporate structure seems to be that people in powerful positions get to keep their jobs and bonuses regardless of anything, while the lower level employees get laid off, loaded with unreasonable tasks or suffer other abuses.

That's the ideal from the position of chief executives, yes. Nobody likes that they get to have golden parachutes, but even if they were held accountable for their actions (and they should be) it would not absolve the dev team of their participation in releasing a substandard product. As the end user, all I care about is whether I like it and think it is worth my money. It may sound harsh but it is true: The wellbeing of people I do not know and will never know is not relevant to my life. I have a quarter of every dollar I make taken from me by my government in order to help those less fortunate and our society at large, I am not nor do I want to be a savior for random people purely because they work at a company and need money.

[ParabolaWaVe]

The job of everybody is at stake. Paying for this game prevents the same money going into restaurants, mom & pop stores, handcrafted goods, and indie film, music and gaming instead. Not paying for this game, doesn't mean that the money is just gone.

Also, wouldn't you say that the indie game industry needs the cash a lot more than 2K? It puts itself at existential risk with each new release, often it needs to ask for a loan in order to gather the capital used to produce their projects.

[Goof]

whos eating steak?

[Andarc]

Delicious job steaks....