Are wonder "ageless"?

[tree]

Are the bonuses, a wonder gives, supposed to be ageless as well? The bonus on happiness of the colloseum is gone in the next age, same as culture bonus on quarters on the pyramide of the sun. What kind of bonuses are transfered to the next age? does the 10 percent growth rate of the hanging garden for example persist? I am bit confsued about the mechanic.

[kasnavada]

Same, I'm confused about what transfers and what is supposed to be transferred. The bonus to war weariness with the gate of 5 nations stays, for example.

As a rule of thumb I assume I'm going to use the wonders for the adjacency for current and next age. Even if they had no bonus transferred that would still make them useful.

[dukesalt]

All bonuses of wonders are ageless.

The bonuses for the coliseum go away because in the next age it is no longer able to RECEIVE adjacency bonuses from anything. Overbuilding on the coliseum will get bonuses from the wonder again.

[Ghiron]

Wonders are ageless. Colloseum applies happiness bonus to quarters. If the tile has obsolete buildings in it, it no longer counts as a quarter. Check your quarters with ageless buildings in them and you should still see the happiness bonus. You'll also see the bonus return when you overbuild the obsolete buildings.

[DadouXIII]

Some Wonders are Ageless, some are not.
The ones that are say "Ageless" in their description!

[Many-Named]

by definition a Wonder is ageless.

[Skull]

They are indeed. While adjacency bonus FROM the wonder don’t transfer to the next age, adjacency bonuses TO the wonder do. Also any effects like increased resource capacity and settlement capacity do.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Skull:

While adjacency bonus FROM the wonder don’t transfer to the next age, adjacency bonuses TO the wonder do.

Wonders don't gain adjacency bonuses, it's buildings that gain them from wonders unless they are aged.

All wonders and all ageless buildings and improvements retain their full benefits through the ages. It's only aged buildings which can cease providing or receiving bonuses. Blacksmith for example, once aged, won't gain adjacency bonus from anything any longer, even wonders.

The only wonder which may bend these rules a little is Machu Pikchu and maybe Brihadeeswarar Temple, but the latter explicitly states it adds an adjacency bonus for buildings, and since aged buildings cannot gain adjacency bonuses, it might be a special case.

However, since Colosseum, which provides happiness to quarters in the city, seems to be unable to add the happiness bonus to districts with aged buildings, I don't think the two aforementioned ones will continue to confer their full effects for buildings of the previous ages either.

[Dray Prescot]

Does a Quarter in a later AGE, receive the QUARTER Bonus, receive that BONUS if it is one OBSOLETE Building and one CURRENT (Not Obsolete) Building then, possibly because the 2nd Building was an OVERBUILT Building?

i.e. Does ANY OBSOLETE Building keep a QUARTER from being considered a QUARTER (even if it is only ONE of the TWO Buildings)? I suspect the answer is YES.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

i.e. Does ANY OBSOLETE Building keep a QUARTER from being considered a QUARTER (even if it is only ONE of the TWO Buildings)? I suspect the answer is YES.

In case of the Colosseum, yes.

This is why you overbuild. :)

Edit: However, the tile is still considered a district even if it's not a complete quarter.

[wildmick]

some are.. read the description.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by wildmick:

some are.. read the description.

No. They are all ageless. You could find this out simply by reading Civilopedia.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3437636011

[Larkis]

Im not sure, but i think the wonders change during the ages. I have no proof of that, but it seems to be realistic. Having the Pyramids in the nacient age is some huge thing, while today it is a tourist attraction and not that special anymore.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Larkis:

Im not sure, but i think the wonders change during the ages. I have no proof of that, but it seems to be realistic. Having the Pyramids in the nacient age is some huge thing, while today it is a tourist attraction and not that special anymore.

Gameplay comes first. But tourism is a significant factor for local economy. In fact, such attractions are doing far more good to the locals now than they did when they were first constructed.

[kasnavada]

That they come with the ageless tag is something true, yet...

Some wonders currently change between ages. When I last built Machu Pikchu for example, it gave its +4 gold and +4 culture bonus in the exploration age, but when I tried building around it during the modern age, there was no more bonus.

What I wanna know is if it's intended or not, and if intended to have it in the description / civpedia.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by kasnavada:

That they come with the ageless tag is something true, yet...

Some wonders currently change between ages. When I last built Machu Pikchu for example, it gave its +4 gold and +4 culture bonus in the exploration age, but when I tried building around it during the modern age, there was no more bonus.

What I wanna know is if it's intended or not, and if intended to have it in the description / civpedia.

yea I can confirm this, machu picchu becomes completely useless in the next age, it says it is ageless but it is not
the only difference it makes is that surrounding buildings may get their generic wonder adjacency (like eco buildings getting +1 for each wonder), but beside that machu picchu literally does nothing anymore in the modern age