How Bad is IT?

[Kimlin]

I read a lot of the reviews and they are awful. How is the actual game and if you think it is bad, why?

[Extra Big Swimjim with Cheese]

I got silenced from interacting with Civ 7 reviews after, I'm assuming, I got mass reported for leaving a positive review. So it's a lot of hate train right now. The game is okay, it's just kind of going back to a simpler form, like if Civ 5 had been Civ 6; more of the board game elements from Civ 5 but with the most of the same features of the simulator focused Civ 6. The problem with the UI everyone is talking about, I'm guessing, because they're playing in low res.

[RedWormCharlie]

I swear they have the biggest PR team running positive on this. Anyone who has ever played CIV cannot play this game and think "think is good or okay."

It's hot garbage, I hate it, and I refuse to accept this product.

They took EVERYTHING you like about any CIV game, and threw it in the trash.

These are the shills I am talking about -

Extra Big Swimjim with Cheese a écrit :

I got silenced from interacting with Civ 7 reviews after, I'm assuming, I got mass reported for leaving a positive review. So it's a lot of hate train right now. The game is okay, it's just kind of going back to a simpler form, like if Civ 5 had been Civ 6; more of the board game elements from Civ 5 but with the most of the same features of the simulator focused Civ 6. The problem with the UI everyone is talking about, I'm guessing, because they're playing in low res.

What is this person even saying? There is no SIMPLER FORM, the game has been stripped of any and all mechanics that was once CIV.

[Extra Big Swimjim with Cheese]

RedWormCharlie a écrit :

What is this person even saying? There is no SIMPLER FORM, the game has been stripped of any and all mechanics that was once CIV.

Have you played it yourself? It has the general army stacking from 5, the weather system from 4, the golden/dark age system from Civ 6. A very dumbed down religion system from Civ 6. It has the archaeology and great works system from civ 6. It has the aircraft units from civ 5 and 6. It has a combined diplomacy spying system (also dangerously dumbed down). It has the continent recognition system from Civ 6 that helps a lot with colonization, and I think it's done in such a way that it's just way better in that regard than civ 6.

Maybe you just saw a youtube video about it, but I've played every main line civ game. It's somewhere between civ 4-5-6 in features and it comes out to be a pretty decent game. Sorry if you don't feel the same, but your non-analysis is just meh. Go play whatever game you like instead of trolling.

Edit: I see your review. You seem really emotional about it. I don't get it. For one thing, I don't know how you saw promotions for Civ 7 and thought it was going to be revolutionary; hyped yourself into hate? Honestly, just go play Civ 6. I didn't like Civ 6, so I just played Civ 5 when 6 came out. Pretty simple fix. Hopefully they'll do some actually good remasters of 2 and 4 so we can get some variety. But all the games are different. It's okay to not like some of them.

[Kimlin]

The Doctor a écrit :

Kimlin a écrit :

I read a lot of the reviews and they are awful. How is the actual game and if you think it is bad, why?

I've just completed my first game and it took 15.4 hours according to Steam. I found it to be very similar to previous Civs but with some radically different systems. Of course, the two that seem to be freaking a lot of folks out are the three eras and the culture shifting between them. Neither bothered me at all as I played as Rome - Norman - Prussia with Augustus as my leader and I really enjoyed the session.

My first game is always played on a low difficulty just to see how the new systems work and so trade, districts and military leaders (land sea and air) seem to be the most impactful changes. I might have missed a lot though as I was focussing on hwo to develop cities and towns with their rural and urban improvements, an ever-so-slight nod to Old World there. I wanted to see how factories worked and also how to link my cities between across the water. I thiunk they did a very good job strreamlining the districts and specialists system in this game. It's not dumbed down and you are not restricted where you can build things like libraries or opera halls but pairing up certain improvements makes a difference, especially to the specialists.

Combat is a lot more fun in Civ VII than it's been since Civ IV and it's probably as good as 1UPT is going to get. The eras mean that you're not seeing any ancient era units knocking around in the later eras and there are no special resources required to build certain units either, both good changes IMO. Special resources make your existing units tougher. I'm not aware of any benefiot to having multiple sources.

Of course, it's early days and there are bugs present. I saw a few weird visual glitches happen and the sound stuttered briefly in the late modern era, neither of which interefered with the game. No crashes at all but then I don't have a top-of-the-range rig. Nevertheless, even on Medium settings, it looks absolutely gorgeous and that's not an exaggeration. It's not quite ANNO 1800 but it's close and it makes the wonders videos rather spectacular to watch. I don't need good visuals to enjoy a 4X game but it certainly doesn't hurt to have them :D

Hey Doctor, I remember you from Victoria 3. Always the thorough explanation. Thanks. The eras seem more of a hindrance than a fun feature. What do you think of the tech tree?

[alcash]

Things could be better but its not bad, the ui sucks but im sure they will fix that. all and all i give it a 7/10 for now but could easily be a 9/10 if the ui was better and they didn't botch the religion. I think people are giving bad reviews with only 1 to 15 hours in the game and didnt give it a real chance.

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Kimlin a écrit :

How Bad is IT?

Oh, man.... I wouldn't mess with "IT" that'd be dangerous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZsyB8bfwgk

pablito15 a écrit :

It's now part of a great industry tradition of releasing things that aren't half way to being finished products.

That and people keep buying games (pre-ordering for early access etc) on release day, not waiting to see how the game actually is, especially overpriced games like this.

Devs/Companies see that people keep buying "barely cooked" games and accept it. They will just work on it some more (basically doing the work they should have been doing) release some patches/updates, hopefully they don't cause any new issues/bugs and the world continues to roll.

I see the "don't pre-order" and "Talk with your wallet" comments but I don't think people care enough to listen. Not the Sheep/Whales/Rich/Wealthy people anyways.

[Kahlraxin]

Kimlin a écrit :

I read a lot of the reviews and they are awful. How is the actual game and if you think it is bad, why?

It is truly awful. The problem is not what it MIGHT become, it is what the game is today.

They would have been better served to release this in Early Access. The community response would have been far more forgiving. What we got is an early access game at the top tier AAA price. The game is absolutely NOT finished or polished.

From the outside looking in, it appears that Firaxis had a deadline to meet, and regardless of the game state, they were going to meet it.

[Townsendvol]

Kimlin a écrit :

I read a lot of the reviews and they are awful. How is the actual game and if you think it is bad, why?

I am really enjoying it. Personally if you are unsure just wait and give it a month or two and check back in. There are things they are adding I. That should have been there in release but were not.

If you want a Civ game right now and don’t mind the price, like me, dive in it there is fun to be had.

[Akarin]

its basically a one to one copy of human kind just with civ graphics, the gameplay was bad there and its bad here.

[JDPUK]

It's stellar.

[Arson Aardvark]

After 7 hours, I still don't know if it's good or bad. That's what's really confusing me.

There's so much "stuff" in the game, and it's so radically different from previous titles. I'm confused by just about every change they made. Era transitions are extremely demotivating and jarring, makes me wonder why scientific progress is even necessary if you are just ushered into a new age with new units, and you become a completely separate civilization. I spent thousands of gold to upgrade towns to cities, unknowingly just 10-15 turns before the age transition, so those cities were lost and became towns again (?????). I feel like the game is playing for me. My combat units became different ones, or upgraded ones, without my say so. My city aesthetics completely changed when I was forced to pick a different civ template for Augustus - I went from Rome to...Inca? What? It's just...weird. I can't figure out how to build ships on coastal cities. I have like 1500 hours in Civ 5 and 6 combined but I can't figure out how to build ships in coastal cities in this game. And I apparently can't find an answer anywhere online for why that is. I just had to bug it. The game is constantly yeeting tutorial tooltips but the simplest questions aren't answered by any of them. So many branching tree systems and multiple tiers of single civics.

I don't know what vibe they're going for, but if it was "maximum confusion" they've achieved it.

[The Doctor]

Kimlin a écrit :

Hey Doctor, I remember you from Victoria 3. Always the thorough explanation. Thanks. The eras seem more of a hindrance than a fun feature. What do you think of the tech tree?

I'm afraid if eras are an issue for you, then you're probably not going to like this version of Civ. There's no way to know if you'll otherwise like it because 'at heart it's actually a good game'. None of that will matter because each game you play, you'll encounter two era changes and they're impactful. Yesterday I was on my last turn building the Colosseum and the era timer was almost full, I clicked 'End Turn' with the build screen showing 1 turn for the wonder to be built and I get the end of era notification and after all the between-eras screens, no Collosseum in Roma.

Did that bother me? No, not at all. It's a game and I just learn that building anything that takes a long time to complete when the era timer is at 99% or such is risky. But if you already don't like the era system, this would probably kill the experience for you and it would be too late to get a refund.

The tech trees are fine - no artwork, just like Civ VI, a feature I miss from Humankind, Endless Legend/Space and Millennia. They're shorter of course because each era covers a span of history with repeatebale Future techs at the end but they feel long enough for the era covered, at least they do to me. This time, there is a second level of researching for various techs, Mastery, which gives you some extra bonuses at the cost of waiting longer to get some other new tech. I really like this system. There are also two Culture trees for each culture, an era-specific culture tree for all comers and your own unique culture tree which unlocks culture-specific buildings or traits. There's a lot to like in this new system.

I'm currently playing a second game with a focus on the new Trade system this time around. Again, it's competely different from what we had before and I don't understand it well enough yet to comment on it but from what I've learned so far, I much prefer this to the old 'select a route and get X Gold/Science etc for 13 turns' sysme of Civ V and VI.

The one system I'd say really is a big step backwards and not good at all is Religion. But again, my previous experience with earlier Civ helps me here as I've learned that I rarely pay the religious aspect of the gameplay much heed and ignore it for the most part. I have no interest in it in this game but it's definitely not an improvement. On the other hand though, at least there is a religion system in the base game this time.

I'd consider the era changing very carefully if I were you. It's just a game and $70 is not trivial for most folks even if it's cheaper than a family visit to the cinema with popcorn and drinks. They will probably make some adjustments to the system over time but in the meantime, I'd suggest wishlisting it and waiting for the first expansion, not DLC to drop and see if it's better then.

[FlintX]

Looks like they sacrificed XCOM 3 for another pseudo AAAA game.

Sad.

[Dogoth]

DadouXIII a écrit :

People just don't remember how Civ V and VI launched, I'm reading the exact same comments made.

I remember. Civ 7 is far worse launch.

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