My thoughts on Meta Progression

[Cozy Canadian ttv]

"The intent is to provide players with a profound sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different Leader Mementos and Civilizations—because nothing says historical strategy like grinding for 50 hours or paying more money to play as America or Britain.

As for cost, we carefully selected initial values based on complex pre-launch calculations, including how much we think you'll tolerate before rioting. Among other factors, we’ve analyzed the average Gold, Faith, and Diplomatic Favor per turn and concluded that you simply aren't suffering enough. But don’t worry—we'll make constant adjustments to ensure that unlocking Civilizations in Civilization 7 remains a fun, engaging, and completely reasonable alternative to just uninstalling and/or buying the Deluxe Ultra Mega Civilization Pass™.

We deeply appreciate the community's passionate feedback—whether it's here, on Reddit, in forums, or in the inevitable angry Youtube reviews. Your voices aren't heard, even if we pretend otherwise.

Rest assured, our team will continue to monitor your concerns and make changes, just as soon as we've counted all the Season Pass and microtransaction revenue we got by selling you the game in tiny parts instead of the whole thing. Stay tuned!"

[Mtabacco]

Originally posted by Cozy Canadian:

"The intent is to provide players with a profound sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different Leader Mementos and Civilizations—because nothing says historical strategy like grinding for 50 hours or paying more money to play as America or Britain.

As for cost, we carefully selected initial values based on complex pre-launch calculations, including how much we think you'll tolerate before rioting. Among other factors, we’ve analyzed the average Gold, Faith, and Diplomatic Favor per turn and concluded that you simply aren't suffering enough. But don’t worry—we'll make constant adjustments to ensure that unlocking Civilizations in Civilization 7 remains a fun, engaging, and completely reasonable alternative to just uninstalling and/or buying the Deluxe Ultra Mega Civilization Pass™.

We deeply appreciate the community's passionate feedback—whether it's here, on Reddit, in forums, or in the inevitable angry Youtube reviews. Your voices aren't heard, even if we pretend otherwise.

Rest assured, our team will continue to monitor your concerns and make changes, just as soon as we've counted all the Season Pass and microtransaction revenue we got by selling you the game in tiny parts instead of the whole thing. Stay tuned!"

This is exactly the way I feel. I so want to buy this but I will feel like I am being ripped off. I have played every Civ game that has been out. If its was my job take make any part of this game I would be ashamed to tell anyone.

[taomastercu]

Hero. If anything this ♥♥♥♥ is even *less* excusable than it was when EA did it.

[MHarmless]

Well Said! The Accountant Kings have outdone themselves this time! Never before has the Fiduciary been so Absolutely Dutied, nor the Investment been so Absolutely Returned, nor the Margins been so Absolutely Gross!

Truly I tell you, no Software Product has ever made the Shareholders quiver with Such Delight! Even now the Stonemasons in Operations are chiseling David Ismailer's Glorious Visage into the Hall of Revenue where it may be Adored by future Accountant Kings and where it might stand the Test of Time!


I am not being forced or compelled in any way to say this by my hosts at 2K Games.

[The Doctor]

Hmm, that's stating the bleeing obvious too hyperbolicaly for my taste. Of course corporations, businesses etc are not our friends. I think most of us know that by now.

Yes, once they grow big enough for it to matter, the money folks try to establish the 'pain' thresholds for their customers in a number of different ways to maximise their income without losing enough customers to offset the gains. I did this when I was running a business too.

Yes, they try to monetise to make profits, they think in terms of revenue streams. I did all that too. And so it goes on. They are trying to make money from selling something to us.

We are very, very far from powerless in all this though. You can choose to spend wisely only buying what you want, when you want. You can take marketing with a very large pinch of salt. You have the power in this world as nobody can demand you buy anything. If you think something is unethical, stay away from it and don't support it but decide what you think is unethical for yourself and don't be bullied by others into agreeing with them. The way through this is to be a smarter customer in the modern world so that you don't have to "consume new product and get excited for next product" at all.

By doing the above, you guide the market in the direction you want it to go. The wrong way to do it is to don a tin foil hat, to get angry or to enrage others by exploiting their own pain. One is a hard but liberating path, the other is very quick and easy and will lead to suffering.

[Rhapsody]

America is base game civ btw.

Also if you're taking 50 games to unlock mementos, chances are you're botting unsuccessfully or you're a goldfish.

[SakuraKoi]

It's really a shame that they didn't just prioritize making a great game since they were able to sell DLC regardless. Now they are already selling DLC at the price of expansions and I'm afraid that two things will indeed speak an early end: Selling the post-1950 age or selling the pay2skip.

Mind you, with four ages, the four civilizations sold at the price of an expansion basically do only amount to one. As much as the civs do have more content themselves now, would you lot really pay $60 for the era that was previously already available?

After Advanced Access, I did decide that it may very well require a deep discount on all expansions to get me to play it right then. Like I'd pay $30€ at most though for just the base game, it'd have to be $10€.

I do love Civ and am very much interested in the features and improvements (rather than saying no to change) but a lot is evidently subpar so I will simply go back to playing Civ 5 when I feel like 4X-ing.