Is endgame still boring like every other civ game?

[SigmaMale=SocialReject]

An actual fun endgame is all i want form this game. If the endgame is still a slog to get through I see no point in a sequel because endgame is the only bad part of civ

[KyuRizu]

Depends. in my actual (and first) playthrough (3rd difficulty) one of the ai opponents is so far ahead in culture that it will win by culture victory no matter what i do. The rest of the ais dont do anything againts her and the only option to stop her whould be by war but thats impossible cause she has already 2 allys. Its the start of modern age around 50 turns in and she already has 5 points for culture victory when i only startet to build the first train stations. The game feels so pointless cause she will win no matter what i do so its just boring clicking to next round and getting more and more frustratet.

[Larkis]

Its bether then the ithers cause ai still will be a challenge

[oddball]

Originally posted by SigmaMale=SocialReject:

An actual fun endgame is all i want form this game. If the endgame is still a slog to get through I see no point in a sequel because endgame is the only bad part of civ

Actually the end game is pretty awesome and the best part.

In 30 years I finished basically no civ games. In civ 7 I've finished multiple games and the endgame has been an exciting experience every time with AI enemies that are actually able to put up a fight still on deity.

Breaking the game up into chunks with natural stopping points and resetting progress so that I'm not inevitably way out in front by the early modern + not having hard resource restrictions on building units that the AI can't handle leads to a much more balanced endgame experience.

Also the air/naval gameplay is way better and way better integrated into the overall game. In the exploration age a big navy is a huge asset because of all the long distance colony making and in the modern age you'll still have it and it'll still be good. But war will tend to stagnate... until you unlock air! Air is super strong but the AI actually builds fighters so it's also fun. And because you can use the squadron commands its a lot less clicky. You just mass bomb a target with one click and all the bombers go in and boom done. Great stuff!

The victory conditions are all pretty fun too although I admit to only ever doing military or economic in any age because I like fighting and I like having money to fight. So, uh, lol.

[KyuRizu]

I wish the other ais whould care more for victory, in my game its like: Oh katharina has 4 times more culture than any other civ and flying away towards victory. i could use the sanktion system but ... nah i dont care.

[Lord Haart]

Endgame is a bit of a buggy macro micro yes. Millennia™ and Ara™ on the other hand, have v good endgames.

[RamboRusina]

How could we possibly know how end game is? It's gonna be DLC/expansion at some point. We only have 3 eras currently and game just ends. Imagine playing civ for some 350-400 turns and game just ends. Can't turn off a turn-limit nor victory conditions because there is barely any customization you can do for game set-up. But I suppose fair enough, we can say for sure that game does become a complete slog in modern era and exploration era is very meh experience. Ancient era is quite fun tho and by far the best part of the game.

[oddball]

Originally posted by RamboRusina:

How could we possibly know how end game is? It's gonna be DLC/expansion at some point. We only have 3 eras currently and game just ends. Imagine playing civ for some 350-400 turns and game just ends. Can't turn off a turn-limit nor victory conditions because there is barely any customization you can do for game set-up. But I suppose fair enough, we can say for sure that game does become a complete slog in modern era and exploration era is very meh experience. Ancient era is quite fun tho and by far the best part of the game.

The devs have said that the modern age "victory" template is the one they'll be expanding to all the other eras. So it won't just be "launch a rocket to win" but also you'll have to probably do some sort of Periplus of the Erythrean Sea style voyage in the Ancient Era to win a commerce victory or whatever.

So we can reasonably assume that the inevitable 4th age will look like the 3rd but even more so. Mission to Mars? Doin a climate change? Who knows! Three of the current four conditions are all post WW2 things America did (found the world bank, win a big war against ideological rivals, mission to the moon) with the last one (world fair) a big cultural thing the UK did. IDK what they'll do for era 4, it's much less clear who won and what the big things they did were than it was in the 90s/early 2000s.

[hannibal_pjv]

I am so far in my first time in modern era.. and so far. Seems promising.
Need more play thoughs to see how long the new ending feels fresh! New is allways new… but this still feels promising. And still the religion is the part that I hope civ8 will change. Now it is too similar to previous iterations. I feel that emissaries not the way. Diplomasy, commerse would be more natural way to spread religion IMHO. It now it feels too much work. But that is only the exploration era thing so it is minor thing in the whole picture.
10 games later it will be easier to say how the end game feels in long run.

[DadouXIII]

Originally posted by SigmaMale=SocialReject:

An actual fun endgame is all i want form this game. If the endgame is still a slog to get through I see no point in a sequel because endgame is the only bad part of civ

I have finished 9 out of 10 games in Civ 7.
Speaks for itself :)

[KyuRizu]

Update: Its way more fun now. All AIs declared war on the culture winning one. Was a lot of fun and we left her with 2 citys. I was able to claim most of her Cities (direkt neighbour) No i am working on winng the game.

[Martin]

Well.. to answer the op truthfully..

There is no endgame. But it does End.

[martinolund]

Originally posted by SigmaMale=SocialReject:

An actual fun endgame is all i want form this game. If the endgame is still a slog to get through I see no point in a sequel because endgame is the only bad part of civ

Yep, it's fun. I can recommend. Civ 1 -6 bored the hell out of me but Civ 7 is the first Civ game that I have finished a campaign, not only once, but three times! The formula works me.

[DadouXIII]

For those asking: the current end-game is the modern era race to the finish.
That is very likely to change later down the road with updates/DLC/expansions.

[Mountain Man]

Originally posted by SigmaMale=SocialReject:

An actual fun endgame is all i want form this game. If the endgame is still a slog to get through I see no point in a sequel because endgame is the only bad part of civ

The whole point of ages is to keep the "new game" feeling of Civilization from beginning to end, and it works for the most part. You never really get to an end game grind.

[rizon72]

I'm curious, what type of endgame would be 'fun' for you?