Civ 7 really proves everyone has their favorite # civ game

[EntityofDesire]

Some people believe Civ 5 is the best in series, some love 6 and I personally (yes your gonna laugh) play Civ 2 to this day. It just has a charm no game has been able to capture for me. My second fav is Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization, which I admit is not really the same but a spin off.

Regardless Civilization 7 really does a lot of things differently, making it unique from previous civilizations entries. Some will argue this is the best civilization because of these changes. Some will argue these changes (esp around culture/civs, etc) make it the worst - and I've seen these arguments for all past games.

Civ 7 will find its audience, just like Civ 6 did.

It doesn't mean one or the other is the "best civilization" because at the end of the day, their all different enough to stand on their own for somebody to enjoy/prefer. Aka we all have our favorites.

Although its always confused me when a new game releases in a series, some players really don't like it yet keep playing it. The Sims series is a great example of this, a lot of Sim players say sims 2 the best game and hate the sims 4, but they play the sims 4 instead (of the game they love).

That's something I never really understood.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by EntityofDesire:

They might not like the new game but keep playing it anyway instead of going back to the one they prefer.

That's something I never really understand.

For the same reason that people chuck their technology. It becomes obsolete.

These games become fossils. The older that they become, the less people will play them.

How many people do you know are still playing Pac-Man today?

Civilization VII is the best game in the entire series. However, that's my opinion.

If video game design is an art, and art is subjective, then you'll never please everybody.

The majority of consumers will love this game. That's all that matters.

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Yeah, I commonly refer to this whole thing as N-gabtoga effect. It's an initialism for "New game always bad thus old game awesome" effect. (If anyone has a better acronym or initialism for it that accurately describes the effect in simplest terms, be my guest.)

I've been watching this happen for decades now.

It's not 100% always the case. But. It is somewhere in the 90-99.99% realm of things. It certainly doesn't help the argument much when there is a constant flow of both the good and bad examples of both sides of things; and not just bad. But that's good, because just bad would be terrible.

Kind of a double edged sword with a barbed handled.

Cause no one likes being told they are being this simplistic about things. But...

They kind of are.

My beef with VII is the inclusion of yet again things like Denuvo, and this time I am actually not putting up with it anymore. Otherwise have played and enjoyed all the games in the series, and then some; even though some have some special quirks about them. (Beyond Earth, looking at you bro.)

You can find the N-gabtoga effect at play in basically any game series that exists, with some exception maybe for some depending on view points of that game. For instance, I don't expect everyone to like every single Final Fantasy game in the series. But I do call out those who say they don't like just one of them because of some completely arbitrary opinion of theirs. (Arbitrary in the truest definition of the word no less.)

One series that will get an exception in this, mostly due to how successful it is in getting people to buy it again and again despite their complaints, is every sports game series. Their players will buy the next one and love it every time, despite how obviously they are being ripped off; and they are so totally self aware about it too.

That's examples of the nuance to it.

But then there are others, where the developers could be doing their best, or something close to it at least; and the gaming community takes an epic dump on them for changing or doing anything. (hence the quip about arbitrary opinions getting called out.)

It could be something they don't like even, and is being replaced with something better. But now they don't like the new thing because it does something else they don't like, so now they like the old thing better now. N-gabtoga all over again.

With that all said, again, there are some cases where their dislike is warranted. But it can be hard to tell at first glance, because it requires testing their opinions via actually playing the game and seeing if they hold water, or if their heads are full of water. Somethings gotta hold water, and only one way to find out. Gotta test.

To that note, I agree with the gaming community on some games now and then. But not till after I have tried the game at least myself. Example?

You're reading the comment of a Fallout 76 Founders buyer.

They were right. The game was not ready yet. The Todd Rays were real, and real bad at that. It was fun enough as is, but needed a lot of work. I still play it now and then, get my moneys worth as it were; but it has come a long way since launch. Could use more work, but, that's the usual at that point. There's always something in some game that could be done just a bit better somehow.

Anyways, that's enough out of me on this, aside from this last bit in saying that it's going to be the same for Civ yet again like it always has been. There will be the diehards of some older version, for whatever reason, either due to cost of the new game being the real reason they won't play it yet, or their rig not being able to run it properly (which I don't fault them for. Civ-rig upgrades are real.), or they prefer the mechanics of that one at that point due to having learned them for so long now, that they don't want to have to learn the tricks of the new one. Yet at least.

Give it time. Give it some sales. Get some rigs upgraded. The tide will turn, and things will repeat once again with Civ VIII.

Let's see, going by the usual run of the mill for releases of the mainline series, assuming nothing happens to stop it entirely... that's gonna be in about 7.5-9 years from now.

[Mountain Man]

The trope is "It's new, so it sucks."

We'll go through this again in about ten years when Civilization VIII is released.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by EntityofDesire:

My second fav is Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization, which I admit is not really the same but a spin off.

Good choice. When Colonization came out (the original from '94), I stopped playing Civ and played that game for the next 20 years. Haven't played in a while, but I certainly will again. I just always liked it better than Civ. It's also the reason I haven't even played most newer Civ games. ^^

[wildcardbitches]

Originally posted by Mountain Man:

The trope is "It's new, so it sucks."

We'll go through this again in about ten years when Civilization VIII is released.

Well I thought 5 was a huge step above 4. 6 is now old and still sucks.

[Pandorite1]

agree still a fan of 2. miss the ability to just culture pressure other civs citys that forward settle to join mine. honestly was a good punishment for forward settling a capitol city. wondering why they removed it still.

[MjrP!mP]

It took a DLC leader in Civ 6 to make loyalty a thing again.

[Queeg]

I think folks’ reaction to Civ 7 largely will reflect which version of past Civ games they preferred. I’m looking forward to Civ 7 in large part because I thought Civ 5 and 6 were horrible games. Many reasons — chief, for me, being the one unit per tile mechanic that the AI simply couldn’t handle.

So, for me, almost any change from Civ 5 and 6 is welcome. And I’ve seen enough reviews to suggest that the directions they’ve taken this time around could be very interesting. We’ll see…..

[Qoojo]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by EntityofDesire:

My second fav is Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Colonization, which I admit is not really the same but a spin off.

Good choice. When Colonization came out (the original from '94), I stopped playing Civ and played that game for the next 20 years. Haven't played in a while, but I certainly will again. I just always liked it better than Civ. It's also the reason I haven't even played most newer Civ games. ^^

I installed it again after spending some time in this forum. Haven't got to it yet.

[Wichura]

kudos to Colonization - best of the series :)

[Evrach]

Originally posted by Queeg:

I think folks’ reaction to Civ 7 largely will reflect which version of past Civ games they preferred. I’m looking forward to Civ 7 in large part because I thought Civ 5 and 6 were horrible games. Many reasons — chief, for me, being the one unit per tile mechanic that the AI simply couldn’t handle.

So, for me, almost any change from Civ 5 and 6 is welcome. And I’ve seen enough reviews to suggest that the directions they’ve taken this time around could be very interesting. We’ll see…..

Or not. My favorite civilization is the VI, by far, and I'm also very interested by this VII :)

[Martin]

I played 5k hours in 5, when 6 came out it was garbage, storms improved it, and it got better over time, for a long time I was playing mostly Civ 5 and some 6, then eventually stopped playing 5 completely. I still play 6 daily, I've had it since launch and will try 7 on release, tomorrow or whenever.. if it sucks, i'll play 6 until it improves. I currently have over 5k hours in 6.

[Mountain Man]

My favorite Civ game is whatever one I'm playing at the moment.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by Wichura:

kudos to Colonization - best of the series :)

I actually played it today, inspired by this thread. Still a masterpiece.

[Zsona]

I liked Civ 4 with the Fall from Heaven mod. That was when I started playing Civ games.

Hubby played since the first game. I played Civ 5 a lot but I didn't play much of Civ 6 even though I bought it.