Sid Meier's Civilization VII

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I have a question for the anti-woke crowd.
What game do you plan on playing? Seems every game coming out is too woke for you people.

Avowed-woke
KCD-woke
Civ7-woke
Assassin's Creed Shadows-woke

I feel sorry for you people on so many levels. Can't be happy. Cry about everything. Can't play video games anymore because something will be woke.

Can't watch t.v. WOKE!
Refuse to see that movie. WOKE!
Had to drop that friend. WOKE!

Must be exhausting hating so much stuff.
Last edited by frakthefriendly; Jan 12 @ 7:47pm
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Dashurohem Jan 12 @ 7:50pm 
I’m anti-woke, but this game seems like it will be fine and I’ll likely buy it.
Your other questions though, I won’t play something that’s “woke” which is usually just forced LGBT propaganda or diversity that’s out of place.
I also think your side is hypocritical as your side too complains about movies, films and games, like saying Kingdom Come Deliverance or Witcher 3 were too white and needed diversity.
Originally posted by Dashurohem:
I’m anti-woke, but this game seems like it will be fine and I’ll likely buy it.
Your other questions though, I won’t play something that’s “woke” which is usually just forced LGBT propaganda or diversity that’s out of place.
I also think your side is hypocritical as your side too complains about movies, films and games, like saying Kingdom Come Deliverance or Witcher 3 were too white and needed diversity.

I'm sure left wing cries about stuff also. No denying that. I'm not left or right, BTW. I just don't see the left boycotting games, t.v. shows and such.

I think it is good to be woke. It means to be aware of things. The term woke is being misused. From what I have seen, woke is just a cover for bigoted thoughts most of the time.
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Konzi Jan 12 @ 8:14pm 
Woke is a buzzword, and as someone on the left, yeah, there are a lot of frankly extremely stupid boycotts, ala Hogwarts Legacy.

But woke is a buzzword that is actively over used to describe something people don't like, whether it actually is or not. That being said there is nothing wrong with being angry at "wokeness" in the extreme cases, as you should on any end of any extreme. Representation and inclusion are good things, but it should never be at the expense of one group (something both sides do in fact do), or taken to an active extreme, because then it becomes preachy slop that no one on any side of the political spectrum can enjoy because it turns into either buzzword soup, or forcing an extreme even the people they're trying to represent can't stand it.

It's a question of corporate attempts at diversity to make more money and it just sucks, vs the genuine attempt at inclusion, which usually turns out quite well (Compare Concord to Balders Gate, both games promoted and encouraged diversity, but one was actually part of a genuinely enjoyable product, and was done in a thoughtful way, rather then slamming it all together to meet a business quota)

As for "wokeness" in civ 7, calling a game that has had a history of diverse leaders, african leaders and progressive themeings "becoming woke" just now, and only now with civ 7 just goes to show that a lot of people who complain about "wokeness" in civ 7 have never actually played a civ game before. Like with the Tubmann discourse, there are good points to be made on both sides, but extremes just drown out discourse. There's genuine criticism of "There's other progressive and african-american figures that could fit the role just as well, and would thematically fit with the game more, such as MLK or Malcom X", but then theres the extreme of "Black Woman leading america = bad"
Originally posted by Konzi:
That being said there is nothing wrong with being angry at "wokeness" in the extreme cases, as you should on any end of any extreme.

While I agree there is always going to be extremes on both sides. Saying something is too woke is like saying someone is too informed or people are being treated too fairly.

Woke is being aware of a subject. Someone can never be too woke.

Now, too sensitive about a subject is a good way to describe the left sometimes, while being bigoted is more correct about the right, IMHO.

The term woke was taken over by the right because they did not like people being open to black, female, LGTBQ, minorities, etc.
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Konzi Jan 12 @ 10:32pm 
Battle of the Buzzwords goes crazy fr fr
colostmy4 Jan 12 @ 10:39pm 
There's nothing wrong with diversity. Having a more diverse gene pool ensures survival. This is why pure breed dogs tend to have more health issues.
Konzi Jan 12 @ 10:44pm 
^

The contention mainly comes down to how good that representation is.

Is it natural, is it thoughtful, is it fun, or is it lazy, is it marvel "they said the line!!", is it forced in last minute, is it businesses trying to meet a quota or is it done because you want to expand choice and cultures in your game?

Do you do it like Balders Gate where you can make a character represent you as best as possible, have options available to explore countless diverse avenues, both culturally or in identity etc, and have just an objectively fun game with endless replay ability

or

Do you do it like Rings of Power where you have a hatred of the source material, have god awful writing and dialogue, and just include random stuff just for the sake of it, rather then make any genuine effort at representation, you just include it because you think it will make you look good
Originally posted by colostmy4:
There's nothing wrong with diversity. Having a more diverse gene pool ensures survival. This is why pure breed dogs tend to have more health issues.
Is that why


“ Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables. Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks.”

Wanna know the funniest thing? This is actually from google lol 😆 the first result

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1448064/
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DoofMaster4000 (Banned) Jan 13 @ 2:04am 
Path of Exile 2 is a great game for a fully developed brain that isn't tainted by the angry, lost, and perverted crowd
Originally posted by frakthefriendly:
What game do you plan on playing? Seems every game coming out is too woke for you people.

Avowed-woke
KCD-woke
Civ7-woke
Assassin's Creed Shadows-woke

I feel sorry for you people on so many levels. Can't be happy. Cry about everything. Can't play video games anymore because something will be woke.

Can't watch t.v. WOKE!
Refuse to see that movie. WOKE!
Had to drop that friend. WOKE!

Must be exhausting hating so much stuff.
This is the first time ive heard of KCD or Civ7 being woke, Can you give examples? As for the others they are both works of racism so i will avoid them
Viceman Jan 13 @ 3:21am 
Originally posted by frakthefriendly:
What game do you plan on playing?...

Im not antiwoke, but have some doubts about Civ 7.... but answer for your question... Some good ones. Like DCS, War Thunder, IL2 and Coh2 :bf109:
Last edited by Viceman; Jan 13 @ 3:22am
Originally posted by Natasha💋Muhammed:
Originally posted by colostmy4:
There's nothing wrong with diversity. Having a more diverse gene pool ensures survival. This is why pure breed dogs tend to have more health issues.
Is that why


“ Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables. Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks.”

Wanna know the funniest thing? This is actually from google lol 😆 the first result

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1448064/
Anyone can google anything and find what they are looking for to support their own point of view.
https://kids.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frym.2021.656168
Originally posted by frakthefriendly:

Avowed-woke
KCD-woke
Civ7-woke
Assassin's Creed Shadows-woke


Definitely not going to play the first two.

Will definitely play the last two.

Has nothing to do with DEI. It never does. It has a lot to do with artistic style.

Deliverance is a write off. Never liked the first one due to the unwieldy combat.

I love Obsidian, but Avowed looks like a game that I'd only play if there were no better options. It reminds me of Elex. An average game that can wait for a rainy day within a slow release stretch. When the gaming industry is in a slump and you're bored out of your skull.


Last edited by katzenkrimis; Jan 13 @ 6:43am
Matex Jan 13 @ 7:26am 
Monster Hunter, PoE2.. good enough for at least 1 year of playing. Anything else, just old games like tome4 as usual.
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