Who are the speculated modern age civs?

[Oaks]

I know there was a list floating around here somewhere, but I can't find it.

For sure are:
America
Mexico
France (mentioned in dev diary)
Mughals (mentioned in dev dairy)

Who else we thinking?

[katzenkrimis]

The list I saw:

Buganda
Qing
Siamese
Japan

[plaguepenguin]

There are tiers of certainty that a given civ is going to be in the base game.

America and Mexico have already had full game guide descriptions and are on the roster there, so they are clearly in.

Buganda has appeared in a schematic of civ succession, as a possible choice for Hatshepsut if she goes Songhai in Exploration. Similarly, Mughal has appeared as a Modern Age Indian successor civ. I have been told that Qing has also ben mentioned as the Modern successor to Ming China, but I'm not clear on exactly where that was mentioned. I'm also not so clear on French Empire, but I believe that might also have appeared on one of those succession schematics, or as side-information in what they have said about Napoleon and his two personas.

Himiko and Meiji Japan were clearly mentioned in an announcement for the console market, but since they have promised parity across platforms, it is probably safe to assume that Meiji Japan is in as well, for PC as well as console.

Siam, as far as I know, appears only as the symbol for one of the AIs in the Modern Age livestream. There is no gameplay interaction with that civ in the livestream, and not even any mention in passing by the participants. Since the 4 Deluxe civs are going to be released in March, they are almost certainly developed enough to be playable, and would need to have been play-tested extensively in-house at Firaxis by the time the Modern livestream was recorded. I think that Siam is pretty much certain to be either base game or one of the Deluxe civs, or perhaps even just an early Founder's civ, but has not at all been promised as a base game civ.

So, that's certainty for Mexico and America, and near-certainty for Buganda, Mughal, Qing (I'm relying on reports for that one), French Empire, and Meiji Japan.

If Siam is in, that leaves only 2 slots for civs we haven't heard about yet, but it's 3 if Siam turns out to be a Deluxe civ they were just play-testing in the livestream.

You would think they would really want England, Russia, and Germany, so that's another reason to think that Siam is not on the roster for the base game. If there are only two slots left because Siam did make the cut, which of the 3 that I named will be excluded? Yikes!

[CREAMY TICKLE]

Wakanda.

[Oaks]

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

So, that's certainty for Mexico and America, and near-certainty for Buganda, Mughal, Qing (I'm relying on reports for that one), French Empire, and Meiji Japan.

If Siam is in, that leaves only 2 slots for civs we haven't heard about yet, but it's 3 if Siam turns out to be a Deluxe civ they were just play-testing in the livestream.

You would think they would really want England, Russia, and Germany, so that's another reason to think that Siam is not on the roster for the base game. If there are only two slots left because Siam did make the cut, which of the 3 that I named will be excluded? Yikes!

Great info! Thanks!

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by COCA CHLOE:

Wakanda.

Maybe they will make the projected Information Age, or the Future Age.

They do have this pattern of giving the different ages new resources, so there you go, Wakanda is a natural.

[Konzi]

They did say they plan on adding more ages post launch, the 3 ages was mainly for concise game play reasons, which is fair. This is new for civilisation so I'd rather wait and get more ages later if it means they can patch, balance and get the mechanic itself right. I'm optimistic though.

That being said civ transition from modern to say information will be a fun topic. Ala America and France obviously still exist today, so their take on what they transition towards will be interesting. Will the French Empire transition into a modern French Republic, etc? Lot of cool avenues if they go that route. For example Nasser as a leader, and a UAR civ could be really cool

[Esau]

It was confirmed there are ten for each age. They're as follows:

America
Qing China
Meiji Japan
France
Buganda
Mexico
Mughals
Siam

The last one is possibly Germany.

[SLG]

Originally posted by Konzi:

They did say they plan on adding more ages post launch, the 3 ages was mainly for concise game play reasons, which is fair. This is new for civilisation so I'd rather wait and get more ages later if it means they can patch, balance and get the mechanic itself right. I'm optimistic though.

That being said civ transition from modern to say information will be a fun topic. Ala America and France obviously still exist today, so their take on what they transition towards will be interesting. Will the French Empire transition into a modern French Republic, etc? Lot of cool avenues if they go that route. For example Nasser as a leader, and a UAR civ could be really cool

Where exactly did they say they will add more ages?

[Evilgenius]

Originally posted by Lee:

Where exactly did they say they will add more ages?

It is basic logic, the later age has clearly been cut from the game to be sold later as an expansion.

[Sifer2]

Originally posted by Esau:

It was confirmed there are ten for each age. They're as follows:

America
Qing China
Meiji Japan
France
Buganda
Mexico
Mughals
Siam

The last one is possibly Germany.

No Russia eh? Let's be honest only really relevant one's to the current age are America, China, Russia, and EU though interestingly it seems like they are not doing EU but individual modern european countries. Wouldn't be surprised if they leave Russia out entirely which will be real stupid when including literally who countries.

[Evilgenius]

You don't believe Buganda had more impact on history than Russia?

How dare you!

[Oaks]

Originally posted by Lee:

Where exactly did they say they will add more ages?

Germany's largest games website mentioned it:
https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/civilization-7-einstiegsdroge-fuer-fachbuecher-historiker,3425293.html

"Am 11. Februar ist der Release, jedoch diesmal noch ohne die Ära der Gegenwart und Zukunft. Die sollen erstmals in der Seriengeschichte nämlich erst nach Launch hinzugefügt werden."

"On February 11 is the release, however this time still without the present or future ages. Those should be for the first time in the series' history added after launch."

[plaguepenguin]

Originally posted by Evilgenius:

You don't believe Buganda had more impact on history than Russia?

How dare you!

The history I was taught in elementary school didn't even mention China except as someplace made famous and at least a bit important because Marco Polo visited it and taught the people there all about the benefits of trade. The textbook sort of implied that he discovered China. Lucky China. Oh, and Commodore Perry discovered Japan, or at least opened it up to civilization. Lucky Japan.

Impact on history depends entirely on what your version of history might be.

[Evilgenius]

Originally posted by plaguepenguin:

The history I was taught in elementary school didn't even mention China except as someplace made famous and at least a bit important because Marco Polo visited it. The textbook sort of implied that he discovered China. Lucky China. Oh, and Commodore Perry discovered Japan, or at least opened it up to civilization. Lucky Japan.

Impact on history depends entirely on what your version of history might be.

My highschool history book had a whole chapter dedicated to China's history, and when we got to that chapter our teacher told us to skip the chapter about China, because that wasn't part of the state enforced curriculum, so we got another chapter of how bad colonialism was, again.

[SLG]

Qing China has been revealed.