Classic mode

[Darkboss]

Age system is really divisive

Please start working on giving us a Classic mode where we can play a single Civ from start to finish.

I am not asking anything to be removed from those that like the new system, but this doesnt feel like Civilization for a lot of us

[Flash]

Originally posted by thrr:

There is absolutely no question that the shift introduced in Civ 7 is massive.

They have changed the spirit and essence of the what made this a very successful series for all these years (I have played all the games that have come out in the series, including AC and BE)

All Civ games before, from 1 to 6, are consistent in their premise, despite also introducing big and divise changes at times.

This has changed with Civ 7.

....

But Civ 7 ain’t and will never be seen as a natural and worthy successor to what we have seen in the series so far.

And this breaks a decades long tradition.

And this is not what the majority of the long-term fans were expecting, which explains why a lot of people that eagerly consumed reviews and advance coverage in ahead of the launch had faith that, despite everything that came out that worried them, this would still, somehow, pull it off and be that worthy next entry in the series.

You can only hope that Firaxis will look at all the feedback they are receiving and find a way to make room for both Civ 7 (as more of a spin-off / derivative title) and work on making Civ 8 that next entry the series truly deserves.

This. When the core deviates from the game, the game should take on a new name.. Sort of like how Beyond Earth was a different perspective. This is what frustrated players... Its a game. It will be fun to play in its own right... but its not a Civ series game..

[metropolitan75002]

Originally posted by Central:

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

That's not really a fair argument as those games can only get old.

I was a big fan of the series from Civ 1 to Civ 4. But the game was very different then, it was a grand strategy Empire builder at global scale. With Civ5, the game started to grow more tactical, at a narrower scale, with hexes and 1 unit-per-tile, that was reinforced in Civ6 with districts and in Civ7 cities are totally unstacked giving the feeling that we live in a miniature world.

And those who enjoyed the epic scale that the series had until Civ4 are just lost forever. There's an impressive active community still playing the game 20 years after, continuing to mod it, but gosh the graphics are so dated. It feels like being stuck in the past.

but in that case you never really wanted a civ 7, you wanted a remaster of civ 4.
a new entree in a series is supposed to do things differently, otherwise it should just be either an expansion or a remaster.

Yeah you got it totally right. I want a Civ4 overhaul. Why would that be a bad idea?

If Firaxis no longer wants to Civilization to be Civilization, nothing prevents other studios to develop the game in the original spirit. Think for instance how Maxis ruined Sim City before city builders were revived again with Cities Skylines.

[skunkno1]

Originally posted by TyCobb:

Originally posted by Anonymous:

It's hard because a lot of the game's features are tied to the ages system. Things like legacy paths, crises, and tech trees. FXS will undoubtedly supplement this system with DLC and expansions.

Eh, Humankind did it. Humankind's biggest downfall was the fact that they would not allow duplicate cultures in the same game. There was always a chance the AI grabbed a culture you were planning on using, but that was also due to how much they planted their feet in that mechanic with the dynamic empire names and whatnot.

Civ 7 has the different civs, but if they just make it the AI can't take a civ already chosen, I don't think a player that wants to play Russia is going to be mad the AI already beat them to it if they are allowed to still choose it.

In terms of crisis, I bet most already turn it off. lol

Legacy paths can just be one giant track of milestones that give attributes. There's no reset so there's no need for all of the dark age / golden age stuff. If you're trailing in science that's on you and the AI will punish you just like in every other civ game. Wars magically ending, cities converted back to towns, units randomly upgrading, etc is just stupid as it stands right now.

For the tech trees.... combine them :WH3_greasus_rofl:

There's an option to allow duplicate cultures now in Humankind. Also HK lets you keep your culture in to the next age if you want to so it can be done.

[TyCobb]

Originally posted by Larkis:

Originally posted by TyCobb:

Eh, Humankind did it. Humankind's biggest downfall was the fact that they would not allow duplicate cultures in the same game. There was always a chance the AI grabbed a culture you were planning on using, but that was also due to how much they planted their feet in that mechanic with the dynamic empire names and whatnot.

Civ 7 has the different civs, but if they just make it the AI can't take a civ already chosen, I don't think a player that wants to play Russia is going to be mad the AI already beat them to it if they are allowed to still choose it.

In terms of crisis, I bet most already turn it off. lol

Legacy paths can just be one giant track of milestones that give attributes. There's no reset so there's no need for all of the dark age / golden age stuff. If you're trailing in science that's on you and the AI will punish you just like in every other civ game. Wars magically ending, cities converted back to towns, units randomly upgrading, etc is just stupid as it stands right now.

For the tech trees.... combine them

In CIv 7 all Nations swap at the same time. In Singleplayer, the player can choice first his new civ, so it would not happen that the Ai get a Civ, the players want.

I am talking about if they bring back Classic Mode. No one would swap at the same time, but instead when they reached that level in the tech tree.

[TyCobb]

Originally posted by skunkno1:

There's an option to allow duplicate cultures now in Humankind. Also HK lets you keep your culture in to the next age if you want to so it can be done.

Oh nice. I did not know they added that ability.

[Skull]

Nah, as much as I don’t like cities turning into towns at the end of an age the rest of it’s fun. “Classic” mode as you put it eventually gets stale at anything past the renaissance era as you’re just doing the same thing you did the last few eras.

[PhalseDemeise]

Originally posted by Skull:

Nah, as much as I don’t like cities turning into towns at the end of an age the rest of it’s fun. “Classic” mode as you put it eventually gets stale at anything past the renaissance era as you’re just doing the same thing you did the last few eras.

that is why it would be a different mode, so we could play in classic mode, and you can play in humankind mode

[metropolitan75002]

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

[thrr]

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

I wouldn’t be so sure, time will tell.

[Darkboss]

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

So far this has been the worst launch in Civilization history. I think Civ 8 will for sure have a Classic mode, and i do think it would be in Firaxis best interest to introduce it in Civ 7

[thrr]

Originally posted by Darkboss:

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

So far this has been the worst launch in Civilization history. I think Civ 8 will for sure have a Classic mode, and i do think it would be in Firaxis best interest to introduce it in Civ 7

Unfortunately, I think it won’t be possible (at least to do it properly).

Some changes can be done to help bridge the gap, but only Civ 8 could bring back the original Civ1-6 game.

[Skull]

Originally posted by Darkboss:

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

So far this has been the worst launch in Civilization history. I think Civ 8 will for sure have a Classic mode, and i do think it would be in Firaxis best interest to introduce it in Civ 7

No worse than Civ 5 or beyond earth. Those were touted as barebones and boring at launch.

[Tikigod]

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

But if the only reason something might change in the next game is if this game is such a massive failure, and is unlikely to happen because the franchise is so well known.......


Then why did it change in the first place?

As within your stated scenario, the only reason civ 7 would have made these changes is if civ 6 was a massive failure.

But you've already established civ 6 couldn't have been a massive failure because of how established the franchise is.

The fact Civ 7 exists as it does kind of invalidates your entire hypothesis and stated perspective, no?

[metropolitan75002]

Originally posted by Tikigod:

Originally posted by metropolitan75002:

There won't be any "classic" mode in Civ7.

And the only possibility that Civ8 would go "classic" again would be if Civ7 is a massive failure, which isn't likely considering how well-known the franchise is among a mainstream audience. So you should better get used to how it is now as it's very unlikely it will change.

But if the only reason something might change in the next game is if this game is such a massive failure, and is unlikely to happen because the franchise is so well known.......


Then why did it change in the first place?

As within your stated scenario, the only reason civ 7 would have made these changes is if civ 6 was a massive failure.

But you've already established civ 6 couldn't have been a massive failure because of how established the franchise is.

The fact Civ 7 exists as it does kind of invalidates your entire hypothesis and stated perspective, no?

No that's not how Firaxis works.

There's been several controversial changes in past iterations of Civ series, but as the new games have always been a success, they never moved back from those changes. And those changes became the new normal for the new fans arriving.

That's how it always happened. It's been 35 years I play this game. I never heard Sid Meier telling "fans were right, that was crap, we will scrap it". Never. However, he often told on interview "who those angry fans think they are? They think they own the game *laugh* they don't".

[metropolitan75002]

Originally posted by Tikigod:

Then why did it change in the first place?

As within your stated scenario, the only reason civ 7 would have made these changes is if civ 6 was a massive failure.

But you've already established civ 6 couldn't have been a massive failure because of how established the franchise is.

The fact Civ 7 exists as it does kind of invalidates your entire hypothesis and stated perspective, no?

No that's not how Firaxis works.

There's been several controversial changes in past iterations of Civ series, but as the new games have always been a success, they never moved back from those changes. And those changes became the new normal for the new fans arriving.

That's how it always happened. It's been 35 years I play this game. I never heard Sid Meier telling "fans were right, that was crap, we will scrap it". Never. However, he often told on interview "who those angry fans think they are? They think they own the franchise? *laugh* they don't".