Benjamin Franklin, leader of Greece

[Fire Game Studios]

I started playing now and it says Benjamin Franklin is Greek and ruler of Greece. Are you guys high or something? I was going to play with my son so he can learn something, but I didn't know you guys lost your minds.

[Guest In Disguise]

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

So you are only out for a "gotcha" moment ok lol

You literally tried a dumb gotcha and then accuse me of it, sure ;)

Go back to basic trolling class, dude.

Bro you started this entire thing😭

[𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶]

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Publicado originalmente por 𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶:

This business of exchanging cultures and civilizations with other leaders is a real joke and it's no fun at all. I thought CV would be more serious and respect what they use to inspire their game, apparently they want to turn CV into a game for dolls.

But Lincoln building the pyramids of Washington was serious business and great fun.

This whole argument is so lame.

It must have been some Pharaoh with the same name or he was on vacation in Egypt, it's not cheesy, it has its reason, frankly I don't find it funny or interesting to use a leader, many of them aren't even leaders and go around exchanging civilizations and cultures for them ...besides not making any sense it makes it seem like whoever came up with this brilliant idea is an uneducated neard who remembered to mix salt with sugar lol

[Bouncer]

Publicado originalmente por 𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶:

I've already said here, if I see any leader with the possibility of leading a Portuguese culture or the other way around who hasn't been the leader of the same in this game I'll file a complaint with the competent authorities to sue the company, this is defamation and distortion of the history and culture of a nation 😏 because the company isn't using fictitious names of leaders but real ones and real names of civilizations, they have to use fictitious names and not real ones to do what they want to do.

Yes, because never before have historical figures and nations been put in fictional settings, especially not in Civ.

We demand real historical accuracy of Portugal building the Terra Cotta army, then waging war on Protestant Ghenghis Khan the Pietous, all in 2000BC.

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

You literally tried a dumb gotcha and then accuse me of it, sure ;)

Go back to basic trolling class, dude.

Bro you started this entire thing😭

I answered to your bad take, and made a comment about the whole thread.

[Guest In Disguise]

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Bro you started this entire thing😭

I answered to your bad take, and made a comment about the whole thread.

You answer with bad takes by doing bad takes, again you are smoking literal crack

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

I answered to your bad take, and made a comment about the whole thread.

You answer with bad takes by doing bad takes, again you are smoking literal crack

Just read #42 and #43 again if all this is too much for you.

[Guest In Disguise]

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

You answer with bad takes by doing bad takes, again you are smoking literal crack

Just read #42 and #42 again if all this is too much for you.

Your only retort is "Truth hurt" if thats your answer then you are just plugging your ears like the flat earthers do.

[Bricicles]

Publicado originalmente por Fire Game Studios:

Been playing since Civ 1 - the whole thing feels broken now. It's a shame. I agree with America existing before Christ, but before I was like: "hey gotta have a Civ, what you gonna do?" - now it just feels like they're breaking the game on purpose to accomplish... what?

So now your argument is "yeah well i preferred that type of historical inaccuracy as opposed to this one therefore the old way was better because I liked it"? Come on man. Look, how else are you going to design a game where the civs change over time without divorcing the leaders from the civs? And you said you wanted to teach your kid about history, right? You have more leaders and more civs to learn about here. You have a bigger chance to teach your kid about history with this game than the old ones. Instead of heads of state you have cultural leaders too instead of the same Gandhi and Lincoln over and over. You can say "I dont know who this is, lets research this person." or "Who were the people of this civilization?" or "Where was this city? What was it known for?". But no, this isnt about game design or history, this is the personal issue YOU have with change.

[𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶]

Publicado originalmente por Bouncer:

Publicado originalmente por 𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶:

I've already said here, if I see any leader with the possibility of leading a Portuguese culture or the other way around who hasn't been the leader of the same in this game I'll file a complaint with the competent authorities to sue the company, this is defamation and distortion of the history and culture of a nation 😏 because the company isn't using fictitious names of leaders but real ones and real names of civilizations, they have to use fictitious names and not real ones to do what they want to do.

Yes, because never before have historical figures and nations been put in fictional settings, especially not in Civ.

We demand real historical accuracy of Portugal building the Terra Cotta army, then waging war on Protestant Ghenghis Khan the Pietous, all in 2000BC.

I don't demand anything, I just think that in order to exchange cultures of civilizations with real names and make historical summaries of each civilization and leaders , they should have the leaders who passed through them and not others, so what's the point of the historical summaries they share on each leader and civilization, if they allow you to exchange cultures with the leaders, does that make sense? - Of course it doesn't, because if you look at the information they share on the game's website, they explain the history of each leader and civilization in brief.

[Mountain Man]

Publicado originalmente por Fire Game Studios:

I started playing now and it says Benjamin Franklin is Greek and ruler of Greece. Are you guys high or something? I was going to play with my son so he can learn something, but I didn't know you guys lost your minds.

It's no more ridiculous than George Washington leading the American Empire from the stone age to the nuclear age.

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Just read #42 and #42 again if all this is too much for you.

Your only retort is "Truth hurt" if thats your answer then you are just plugging your ears like the flat earthers do.

Your only retort was "what are you smoking".

This has to be the worst attempt at cherrypicking I've ever seen.

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por 𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶:

Publicado originalmente por Bouncer:

Yes, because never before have historical figures and nations been put in fictional settings, especially not in Civ.

We demand real historical accuracy of Portugal building the Terra Cotta army, then waging war on Protestant Ghenghis Khan the Pietous, all in 2000BC.

I don't demand anything, I just think that in order to exchange cultures of civilizations with real names and make historical summaries of each civilization and leaders , they should have the leaders who passed through them and not others, so what's the point of the historical summaries they share on each leader and civilization, if they allow you to exchange cultures with the leaders, does that make sense? - Of course it doesn't, because if you look at the information they share on the game's website, they explain the history of each leader and civilization in brief.

I have detected some serious mental gymnastics.

[Guest In Disguise]

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Your only retort is "Truth hurt" if thats your answer then you are just plugging your ears like the flat earthers do.

Your only retort was "what are you smoking".

This has to be the worst attempt at cherrypicking I've ever seen.

Ofc it is when you come out with a statement "Kids already believe that napoleon is from africa"

Sane person will not believe that but you saying it does is unhinged and madness.

Most European schools teach about napoleon era where he was from and his actions.

The fact that he came from Corsica wasn't even predominantly french but predominantly Italian.

But thats why if you say that kids believe he is from africa then i can only assume it's americans that believe that he is from Africa because American history is entire world history in their eyes.

[𝔓𝔲𝔰𝔥𝔶]

for example this :
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/leaders/machiavelli/
The name of Florentine writer, diplomat, and philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli has become synonymous with duplicity and treachery. He argued that the most effective ruler was one willing to do whatever it took to gain, retain, and wield power. Such views won him the ire of both the Catholic Church and the powerful Medici dynasty. But his ideas live on in his posthumous work The Prince—giving him, in true Machiavellian fashion, the last word.
and next :
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/maya/
In the Central American jungles grew a series of city-states bound by alliances and a common culture—the Maya. They transformed a seemingly inhospitable landscape into a paradise of plazas, ball courts, and pyramids that rose out of the jungle to greet the open sky. But struck by climate and political crises, the Maya declined, and the land was once more covered by forest.

WTF it makes sense to combine one with the other. better take a cough syrup

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por Guest In Disguise:

Publicado originalmente por vamirez:

Your only retort was "what are you smoking".

This has to be the worst attempt at cherrypicking I've ever seen.

Ofc it is when you come out with a statement "Kids already believe that napoleon is from africa"

Sane person will not believe that but you saying it does is unhinged and madness.

Most European schools teach about napoleon era where he was from and his actions.

The fact that he came from Corsica wasn't even predominantly french but predominantly Italian.

But thats why if you say that kids believe he is from africa then i can only assume it's americans that believe that he is from Africa because American history is entire world history in their eyes.

That was your statement lol ;)

And ofc I didn't take it literally, but to mean that "kids don't know basic history".

This here btw is what is called a strawman discussion.