Wtf? Separate Leaders Choosing?

[Omega Sirius]

You mean I can choose to be Augustus when I'm playing America? Is this true? What kind of bs is this?

[SBA77]

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

Publicado originalmente por SBA77:

Hate to be that guy, but Civ 4 let you mix and match leaders too, though it was very much presented as an optional features (buried in the game settings).

I honestly had no idea you could do that in Civ IV. It's not a feature I would have used had I been aware of it either. Why have Stalin lead England for example?

Yeah, I think it they added it in Beyond the Sword which also adds to how it isn't remembered (not to say that BtS was bad, just that I doubt people would remember a minor feature added in an expansion filled with memorable features)

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

I didn't care about it in Humankind because, as mentioned by a previous poster, I used my own custom avatar to lead my faction and, to be honest, I quite liked that. But the 'historical' leaders were pretty lame - Victor Hugo, Edgar Allen Poe etc. I had to resort to downloading other gamers' avatars but I didn't feel any connection with them either. I usually ended up beating the crap out of Quill18 (no offence intended mate - it was just that you were the only recognisable face in most of my games)

Eh, I feel like the historical leaders in Humankind were supposed to just be place holders for real player because I still believe that game was or at least partially or initially designed with a multiplayer focus. That's probably why we were forced to make an avatar before being able to even get into the game and why we were limited to only one.

[lethminite]

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

Publicado originalmente por lethminite:

That's not even a thing in Humankind. Why do people keep attributing everything to humankind, when it just simply does not have those mechanics?
In humankind you get an avatar for yourself, which is the same unless you change it, and is not related to any real person, except some youtube personalities.

I know you've played Humankind so you know that Humankind came with a number of leaders, some historical (Victor Hugo) and some fictional (blue-haired Lucy) who were unrelated to the actual civilizations/cultures they led except for the costume changes. You must have been able to deduce from reading the part of my post you quoted that that was a thing in that game too.

To be quite honest, I didn't realise. I'm not even sure what you are saying is true (though i'll believe it is, and i'm just mistaken) I just remember making a custom avatar, and I don't think it ever clicked for me that the other leaders were historical figures, or maybe I didn't have any that I knew.

Either way, the leaders didn't contain bonuses, so even if the humankind avatars were historical, it would have been purely cosmetic, and isn't the same as matching leader bonuses to civ bonuses.

[Oaks]

Publicado originalmente por lethminite:

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

I know you've played Humankind so you know that Humankind came with a number of leaders, some historical (Victor Hugo) and some fictional (blue-haired Lucy) who were unrelated to the actual civilizations/cultures they led except for the costume changes. You must have been able to deduce from reading the part of my post you quoted that that was a thing in that game too.

To be quite honest, I didn't realise. I'm not even sure what you are saying is true (though i'll believe it is, and i'm just mistaken) I just remember making a custom avatar, and I don't think it ever clicked for me that the other leaders were historical figures, or maybe I didn't have any that I knew.

Either way, the leaders didn't contain bonuses, so even if the humankind avatars were historical, it would have been purely cosmetic, and isn't the same as matching leader bonuses to civ bonuses.

I can confirm there were historical figures, though it might have been a pre oder bonus. But yea, they didn't really matter since there were no bonuses, though difficulty levels were oddly tied to AI leaders.

Regardless, it wasn't a great system. I didn't even make an avatar for myself. I spend most of my day as myself. I don't need to be myself in video games too

[Omega Sirius]

I keep seeing people bringing up "Humankind this" and "Humankind that." Literally what does that have to do with Civilization 7? I don't have Humankind so what's the relevance?

Please don't get too far off topic.

[Astasia]

Publicado originalmente por Omega Sirius:

I keep seeing people bringing up "Humankind this" and "Humankind that." Literally what does that have to do with Civilization 7? I don't have Humankind so what's the relevance?

Please don't get too far off topic.

Pretty much every "new feature" or change in Civ 7 compared to Civ 6, was taken more or less directly from the game Humankind. That's why you are seeing it mentioned a lot. A lot of people are calling this game "Humankind 2" as it's more similar to that game than Civ 6.

[hannibal_pjv]

A feature from Civilization 4 that comes back in Civ 7.

[Many-Named]

''Brave Napoleon Bonaparte, how will you now lead Mongolia?''

[parent child bowl]

Publicado originalmente por Oaks:

You are correct, but as far as I can tell, it's totally optional. If it's not your thing, I doubt it will be very intrusive and (hopefully) we can tell AI players to stick with their historical leader as well.

Won't leaders automatically not fit their nations from the second age on anyway?

[Oaks]

Publicado originalmente por parent child bowl:

Publicado originalmente por Oaks:

You are correct, but as far as I can tell, it's totally optional. If it's not your thing, I doubt it will be very intrusive and (hopefully) we can tell AI players to stick with their historical leader as well.

Won't leaders automatically not fit their nations from the second age on anyway?

... I crunched the numbers and your logic is sound. Whoops, my b.

[Omega Sirius]

Publicado originalmente por hannibal_pjv:

A feature from Civilization 4 that comes back in Civ 7.

A feature that nobody asked for it to return.

[Shepard-Commander]

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

I guess this is another innovation of Humankind that has found its way into Civ. It's not one which bothered me. The game won't force me to play the USA with Hatshepsut but if I really want to, I can.

But if you want to play with Franklin leading the USA, you'll have to play the two preceding eras with Franklin leading civs like Egypt, Rome, Spain, etc.

[SBA77]

Publicado originalmente por Shepard-Commander:

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

I guess this is another innovation of Humankind that has found its way into Civ. It's not one which bothered me. The game won't force me to play the USA with Hatshepsut but if I really want to, I can.

But if you want to play with Franklin leading the USA, you'll have to play the two preceding eras with Franklin leading civs like Egypt, Rome, Spain, etc.

I mean if they let you have something like Celts into England into US it wouldn't be so bad. At least it'd be somewhat accurate. Hell Benjamin Franklin is even of English descent. Of course they'd need to let us do that first, but it'd be fine if they did it that way.

[Shepard-Commander]

Publicado originalmente por SBA77:

Publicado originalmente por Shepard-Commander:

But if you want to play with Franklin leading the USA, you'll have to play the two preceding eras with Franklin leading civs like Egypt, Rome, Spain, etc.

I mean if they let you have something like Celts into England into US it wouldn't be so bad. At least it'd be somewhat accurate. Hell Benjamin Franklin is even confirmed to be "of English descent".

Well, we've seen Egypt -> Songhai and Egypt -> Mongols, so...

[skunkno1]

If the leader is not bound to the civ they'd historically represent then they should let you create your own leaders. We know it can be done because the game they are getting at least some inspiration from already has that capability built in.

[Many-Named]

Publicado originalmente por skunkno1:

If the leader is not bound to the civ they'd historically represent then they should let you create your own leaders. We know it can be done because the game they are getting at least some inspiration from already has that capability built in.

or better yet, let us build our own civ with different bonuses. But then that wouldn't be civ anymore, which is exactly what civ 7 is, not a civ game anymore.