Who plans to play WITHOUT cheating?

[happyscrub]

I'm gonna try to control myself from not cheating

[Lightyears]

Me. I never did the Junk Shop or Takonomics cheats. Infinite money lessens the feeling of earning something.

[Nicholai]

I don't plan on cheating, honestly I never tried any of them to begin with.

[Melodia]

So fun fact -- there's no 'takonomics' CHEAT any more. It's flat out in the game without any shenanigans -- buy from one, sell to the other, no glitches necessary.

(Junk Shop is the same, though)

[MilkBeard]

Yeah, takonomics glitch doesn't work anymore. That was the one I used on the PSX, so this time I'm playing the game without cheats.

The thing is, once you complete one campaign it's like cheating anyway, since you can carry over skills, items, etc. to make the game easy. At least you can select which ones, and also make the battle rank carry too.

[happyscrub]

How yal plan to spend your money if you not going to cheat? I remember wasting on powering up a mech with a bunch of items for instant power. I don't recall if that was good or bad idea

[eriol33]

I have had enough not cheating in this game, so cheat all the way!

[Kala]

Does having three DSC users in your first playthrough count as cheating? :D

[Lioness 西施]

I L-O-V-E the Junk Shop glitch. I didn't use it this playthrough, but boy, was it hard to resist the temptation.

I like that they left it in because the game now appeals to more people. Totally recommend it if you're tired of grinding or have been-there-done-that.

For people who are new to the game and don't want to use the glitch: Sei's Tomb has three items that are really useful early on. Just don't place them on the pedestals. The Rune quest is also a good starting point.

[Scythia]

The only "cheat" I use is buying the Asura (now the Phantasm) in the beginning of Asellus's game.

[Intra]

There is a lot of cheats. Not using Time Magic is hard (because it's the most broken magic in the entire game, even without the broken gift with Overdrive). Mesarthim feels too strong but hard to pass up.

Obviously Junk Shop and Takonomics are cheating. Selling Duel Rifle and the armor from Shingrow Ruins for 6k and using it to get some cheap gear for strong Mecs seems pretty cheat-y too.

I feel like the best way to not cheat is to play characters maining the worst martial/sword talent trees they have, not using mystics/monsters/mecs, no learning spells outside of what you can buy (and buying Time is FORBIDDEN). And with all that maybe the game will have a challenge.

Oh, and if you grind until you have Durahan Shields and overcome characters having talents and everyone learns LifeSprinkler, that's not a challenge either.

There's still ways to overcome trash skills: Kisunagi -or- Magatama / Asura / SandVessel. Combo with HideBehind. CometBlade would be illegal because Gen is too good by default. It'd force you to plan harder with your fights.

Annie - Sword
Lute - Fighting
Mei-Ling - Fighting
Fei-On - Sword
Rouge - Fighting

Plenty of bad fighting talents out there.

Wanna ramp up the difficulty even more? Sacrifice slots.

[FartyMcButtToot]

Originally posted by Kalamino:

Does having three DSC users in your first playthrough count as cheating? :D

Hell no, as it's the best way to play lol. Especially for that b.s. combo challenge or Red's endurance run of Bosses.

[The Isoscelian]

Of course I'll "cheat" (note the quote marks). The dev kept the exploits in there because it's part of the experience. I mean, Saga frontier is a clunky game, and even the remaster additions (Like fuse) are also clunky and confusing. That's the charm of it.

Plus as someone already said, the gold trick isn't a cheat. You but somewhere at a low price, you sell it elsewhere at a higher price. Gold is in the game literally for this reason.

As for the scrap shop, it's like a quick way to start the gold trade, buying Osc-swords, but by no mean gamebreaking because the items are not awesome stuff (except the lethal gun). It's actually faster to go through the shingrow ruins to get the money and items to sell.

... By the way, aren't you guys EXTATIC to speak about Saga frontier in 2021 ? :D

[Nicholai]

Originally posted by G4unT M0tHrF@#%&R!:

Of course I'll "cheat" (note the quote marks). The dev kept the exploits in there because it's part of the experience. I mean, Saga frontier is a clunky game, and even the remaster additions (Like fuse) are also clunky and confusing. That's the charm of it.

Plus as someone already said, the gold trick isn't a cheat. You but somewhere at a low price, you sell it elsewhere at a higher price. Gold is in the game literally for this reason.

As for the scrap shop, it's like a quick way to start the gold trade, buying Osc-swords, but by no mean gamebreaking because the items are not awesome stuff (except the lethal gun). It's actually faster to go through the shingrow ruins to get the money and items to sell.

... By the way, aren't you guys EXTATIC to speak about Saga frontier in 2021 ? :D

Yeah I've never used them but I've never considered them legit cheating. You just have the ability to buy equipment earlier to speed things up a bit, but a well planned and played group with the right skills isn't exactly that far behind on clearing speed. In the end it's all achievable whether you use the exploit or not, so I've never bothered with it.

[Coxatris]

Flee is the real cheat.

[Zunath]

I don't mind cheating in a poorly designed game which wastes your time (Black Ray, looking at you).