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Joseahfer Mar 11, 2021 @ 3:10pm

Looks worse than the original

The characters, the backgrounds, the font, the UI... It certainly has some more modern changes, but they look awful overall.

Square seems to have taken the time to render the backgrounds with AI, which is appreciated, but the end result doesn't look good to me.

https://i.imgur.com/tKbwPLY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GaP5PkE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kCyeVqA.jpg (@Famitus)
https://i.imgur.com/3qLmjhb.png (@Dreamboum)
https://i.imgur.com/VYwEQez.mp4 (@Dreamboum)

Last edited by Joseahfer; Mar 12, 2021 @ 2:04am

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Originally posted by maestro:

That's because old games WERE pixellated, but the nature of analog CRT was fuzzy.

These TVs displayed in something like 250x240 something pixels usually, or at least, digital pixels converted to an analog signal a TV could understand. Also, CRTs used a scan beam that went horizontally across the screen, line-by-line rapidly, which really blurred the pixels a lot.

On a real CRT, you can't really see the pixels because the light starts to fade after the beam hits the screen but not fast enough the whole image disappears.

Check out Retro Game Mechanics Explained on youtube, he shows you how those actually worked in one of his SNES videos. Also, the Slow Mo Guys pointed a slow mo camera at an old CRT TV that shows this perfectly.

But when you put these images, even with scanline filters, it doesn't look right, because you're not sweeping a light beam back and forth on a piece of glass. The best you can do without an emulator is use a SCART adapter and have a SCART->HDMI converter box.

But yes, a remastered version is always going to look better. Though, for 3D games like some Playstation 1 titles, upscaling works beautifully for games that are mostly polygon based (Legend of Legaia comes to mind). Upscaling also works beautifully for Mode7 games on SNES (BSNES has built-in math correction for Mode7, works like a charm! but only on Mode7 graphics though).

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Serienie

Mar 11, 2021 @ 3:20pm

ew what am i looking at. I wouldn't mind the sprite changes and all that but dang that ui is gonna hurt to look at. and idk about you but I don't like the battle stats over their heads. I liked looking at that other screen to check hp

master goose (insanity) has SaGa Frontier Remastered

Mar 11, 2021 @ 4:20pm

...Yep. Hard pass.

Requimatic Mar 11, 2021 @ 4:26pm

I was just coming to these discussions to ask if it got the same mobile-esque treatment that all the other classics got when they were "remastered". (FF3/6, CT, etc.)

Looks like I'm passing on this one, too. Shame.

Rogan

Mar 11, 2021 @ 4:36pm

I really like the new graphics, font and UI. It has to be a bit different to be updated, but I really like it so far.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 has SaGa Frontier Remastered

Mar 11, 2021 @ 4:45pm

COME ON WTF Wrong with you Square Enix! Like for love of god PC is not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mobile phone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxJ016xb4Q

Like for real they got to stop with these mobile port BS.

zimfier Mar 11, 2021 @ 4:54pm

This isn't as bad as the FF6 one at least.

Virgil Infernas has SaGa Frontier Remastered

Mar 11, 2021 @ 5:02pm

The mobile UI is not present on desktop or consoles, here's how the same fight looks when played on non-mobile devices:

https://imgur.com/a/ybtQk8k

SkyeSage

Mar 11, 2021 @ 5:08pm

The game will be receiving new UI, which I'm personally not a huge fan of but I can deal with it. I love the new HP/LP indicators. And this game is NOT a mobile port nor is it anything close to the FF3/6 remasters; it is being rebuilt from the ground up in Unity. They did the same thing with Romancing SaGa 2 and Romancing SaGa 3 and they both turned out splendid.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 has SaGa Frontier Remastered

Mar 11, 2021 @ 5:10pm

Originally posted by Virgil Infernas:
The mobile UI is not present on desktop or consoles, here's how the same fight looks when played on non-mobile devices:

https://imgur.com/a/ybtQk8k

I hope so.

I looked it up. after 8:50.
https://youtu.be/aEig-HIxRsw?t=533

Last edited by Dr.Shadowds 🐉; Mar 11, 2021 @ 5:19pm

SkyeSage

Mar 11, 2021 @ 5:25pm

Originally posted by Virgil Infernas:
The mobile UI is not present on desktop or consoles, here's how the same fight looks when played on non-mobile devices:

https://imgur.com/a/ybtQk8k

This UI will be present in all versions of the game, which is honestly a good thing considering how much this game likes to not tell the player how to play

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Michael the Meek has SaGa Frontier Remastered

Mar 11, 2021 @ 7:00pm

The UI really needs to be smaller like the original game.

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Lestaroth Mar 11, 2021 @ 7:19pm

The font type and the boxes... they make it worse, mobile-like all over again.
SquareEnix, why don't you make an option so people can choose between new and old UI?
(...and then I can't say much about the idea of graphic filters that can be quite... awkward to say the least, yeah)

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Intra

Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:56pm

I would second wanting the option to use the old UI. The new ♥♥♥♥ looks like you attempted to reuse PS1 assets and make a RPGmaker title with it.

Is the new menus going to show the combo send receives? How gun reloads work? The actual defensive stats armor has?

Will they fix distance / facing mechanics? Will Dodge Gaze still have 4 chances to be learned from Stun Gaze because of oversight? Will the send/receive of AOEs and their combo bonuses actually be used or will they stay as 1st moves in combos only?

And of course, many people want to know if Junk Shop glitch will be fixed. I for one have sunk so many hours in the game I just don't use it anymore. But if you're speed running it might matter.

And for the min/maxers, will they touch Overdrive + Snake Oil glitch (not that you need it to kill a boss in a turn anyways)?

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Blink Mar 11, 2021 @ 11:17pm

hahah more garbage I'll never touch.

You're better off just buying an xrgbmini framemeister and using your original hardware/games

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Elvick Mar 11, 2021 @ 11:52pm

Just let us access the original sprites and stuff. Like geez, this is hideous. Like the awful mobile versions of FFV and FFVI (character portraits were good tho)

Like honestly just toss the game into an emulator and sell it as it was with no change. I'd honestly prefer that to this.

Last edited by Elvick; Mar 11, 2021 @ 11:55pm

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