-SPOILERS- I love the game but the Asellus story is Problematic...

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I mean, in that she declares that being attracted to another women would be wrong because she's a woman, and the only ending that has representation for her clearly suppressed Yuri attraction is the Bad Ending where she becomes a tyrant.

I get that the game was made in 1997 but come on, was it necessary for Asellus to declare that it would be wrong to be attracted to Rose? Also, why can't there be a good ending where Asellus ends up with Gina, or at least not repressed?

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That's possible, still though, not crazy about the ending where she murders all the princesses being the only one where she's out about it.

She doesn't murder them, she just keeps them in magical hypersleep in their coffins.

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You answered your own question; the game was made in 1997 in Japan. Completely illogical to project modern day standards retroactively.

Butt how would one get headpats then?

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That's possible, still though, not crazy about the ending where she murders all the princesses being the only one where she's out about it.

She doesn't murder them, she just keeps them in magical hypersleep in their coffins.

A distinction without a difference since it's eternal sleep.

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A distinction without a difference since it's eternal sleep.

Someone else can always wake them up, and they seem fine on waking. Whether that someone else is Zozma helping the other Princesses pull a Rei or whoever slays Asellus is anyone's guess.

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Maybe but that's not what Asellus has planned for them, the Yuri ending is also the one where she's just ok with trapping them in endless comas and treating them like possessions.

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Maybe but that's not what Asellus has planned for them,

Going solely by what the ending text says (at least on the PS1 version, I haven't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that ending on the Remaster yet), she just locks them in their coffins and states that she intends to keep them there forever. Neither of which precludes outside influence.

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the Yuri ending is also the one where she's just ok with trapping them in endless comas and treating them like possessions.

It generally helps your argument to use the commonly accepted names for the endings (full mystic, half mystic, human) rather than the coomer nomenclature of your favorite cartoon pornography.

Besides, that's exactly what I said. I don't know how you think you're rebutting my argument by restating it, but you do you. I think what's going on is you just want the last word, in which case by all means take it.

Full Mystic Asellus is continuing Orlouge's policy, but in a more extreme fashion. Judging by the number of unopened coffins Orlouge kept most of his mistresses on ice.

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Maybe but that's not what Asellus has planned for them,

Going solely by what the ending text says (at least on the PS1 version, I haven't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that ending on the Remaster yet), she just locks them in their coffins and states that she intends to keep them there forever. Neither of which precludes outside influence.

What Asellus intent is what matters, and she intends to keep them trapped in coffins in a death sleep for eternity, treating them like mere possessions to collect.

Talking about outside influence is just talking about someone subverting her intentions, it doesn't change the fact that to take the Yuri ending, Asellus becomes a cruel psychopath.

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coomer nomenclature of your favorite cartoon pornography.

Dude have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Yuri refers to any kind of girl on girl romance it's not just about sex.

Do you have a problem with gay people or something?

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What Asellus intent is what matters, and she intends to keep them trapped in coffins in a death sleep for eternity, treating them like mere possessions to collect.

Nonetheless they are alive (in the sense that mystics are alive in the capacity or character of mystics), and able to be awakened. This statement is factually incorrect, and moreover you are employing a motte and bailey fallacy.

Motte: Asellus killed all the sleeping princesses.
Bailey: Being sealed in a coffin while asleep, eternally young, and lacking need for nutrition may as well be death.

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Talking about outside influence is just talking about someone subverting her intentions, it doesn't change the fact that to take the Yuri ending, Asellus becomes a cruel psychopath.

The point which you so throughly miss is that it's not death if:
>Your body exists
>Your body is alive
>Your body can be made to wake up

Your statement that Asellus killed the sleeping princesses is unequivocally a lie.

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coomer nomenclature of your favorite cartoon pornography.

Dude have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Yuri refers to any kind of girl on girl romance it's not just about sex.

Do you have a problem with gay people or something?

I have a problem being expected to learn the vocabulary for your preferred sexual fetish (which differs from homosexuality solely due to it being foreign and therefore cooler, which in other spheres such as design or literature usually indicates a poser) in a nominally SFW environment.

I honestly didn't know what yuri meant. I assumed it was related to yiffing since it sounds similar and that is very popular among the terminally online gamer crowd of which I assume you are a member.

I'm sure that your "lesbians, but FOREIGN AND THEREFORE COOLER" fetish is totally different from, say, furry inflation, fart fetishism, vore, or any of the dozens of other things that TOTALLY NORMAL people saw fit to insert into discussions with me on the internet over the years (and usually with their IRL name attached lmao). I don't have a problem at all; I simply do not care. I find the endless demands for emotional labor on my end to validate these fetishists exhausting and I would deeply appreciate a space of my own for normal people such as myself.

Your inability to process your earlier irrational assertion about Asellus "killing" the sleeping princesses clearly indicates that you aren't rational. I doubt anything you will say beyond this point is worth reading; and you are clearly looking for some way to "gotcha" me by hiding behind your Japanese kissy girls books rather than engaging in good faith. To that I say - again: I do not care. If you don't like people disagreeing with your irrational statements, then use that block button you have. You're an adult, try acting like one.

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What Asellus intent is what matters, and she intends to keep them trapped in coffins in a death sleep for eternity, treating them like mere possessions to collect.

Nonetheless they are alive

In a death sleep, which Asellus intends to keep them in for eternity, which is equivalent to killing them.

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Motte: Asellus killed all the sleeping princesses.
Bailey: Being sealed in a coffin while asleep, eternally young, and lacking need for nutrition may as well be death.

If they're to be kept in a coffin forever yes, it's equivalent to death. In this ending Asellus is a cruel psychopath.

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Talking about outside influence is just talking about someone subverting her intentions, it doesn't change the fact that to take the Yuri ending, Asellus becomes a cruel psychopath.

The point which you so throughly miss is that it's not death if

Being put in a coma and stuffed in a coffin for eternity isn't life. You're being pedantic.

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Dude have you been living under a rock for the past decade? Yuri refers to any kind of girl on girl romance it's not just about sex.

Do you have a problem with gay people or something?

I have a problem being expected to learn the vocabulary for your preferred sexual fetish

You're the one making it all about sex, the majority of Yuri content isn't even sexual, a lot of it is down right wholesome.

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which differs from homosexuality

Yuri is literally just a Japanese word for female homosexuality.

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I honestly didn't know what yuri meant.

So you're just hatefully opinionated about something you don't understand. Typical.

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In a death sleep, which Asellus intends to keep them in for eternity, which is equivalent to killing them.

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If they're to be kept in a coffin forever yes, it's equivalent to death. In this ending Asellus is a cruel psychopath.

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Being put in a coma and stuffed in a coffin for eternity isn't life. You're being pedantic.

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Motte: Asellus killed all the sleeping princesses.
Bailey: Being sealed in a coffin while asleep, eternally young, and lacking need for nutrition may as well be death.

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You're the one making it all about sex, the majority of Yuri content isn't even sexual, a lot of it is down right wholesome.

wew lad lmao

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Yuri is literally just a Japanese word for female homosexuality.

Getting strong "technically it's called ephebophilia" vibes from this mf.

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So you're just hatefully opinionated about something you don't understand. Typical.

Yes, tell all of us on this message board more about your sexual fetish. I'm sure that no one is archiving it for later amusement on a fruit forum somewhere.

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No it wasn't.

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Cower from substantive points.

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Yuri is literally just a Japanese word for female homosexuality.

Getting strong "technically it's called ephebophilia" vibes from this mf.

So you're comparing homosexuality with pedophilia? You're a disgusting bigot.

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your sexual fetish

You're the only one discussing a sexual fetish you anti-LGBT fascist.

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We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.