Blue's Mastery in New Game+

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Playing with New Game+, characters keep all their spells but not their masterys. This means that if you've already beaten it as Blue, and thought to master Mind Magic and unlock all of it's spells after a plot event, you start with every spell in the game except for Mystic, Evil, and Mirage magic.

BUT you can't lean any mastery unless you choose not to retain spells in a New Game+, which would nuke every spell that every character has learned throughout any and all playthroughs and force everyone to start over with magic.

So my question is, does it matter? Can Blue still do the Mastery Quests and finish his main quest even though he can't technically achieve mastery?

[drae_perin]

The flags for "the quest for magic has been done" and "this character has the Gift" are separate.

You can actually buy one set of spells and have your other companions obtain the opposing gift, then purge your spells at the shop so that you have neither the spells nor the gift for Rune, Arcane, Light, or Shadow.

You can see here that Blue is at Kylin's Paradise even though he does not posses any of the four Gifts that he should, but he does have the remnants of Time and Space from NG+.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492079922

After Kylin.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492079970

And then back to Master Magician status.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2492080192

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So that means even if I start a new game plus with ALL of the spells unlocked, I can still do the quests and finish the game by just letting my companions get their Gifts for magic, then after the showdown with Rogue I'll be back up to 100% gift mastery?

If that's the case I think Imma do another playthrough as blue I had a LOT of fun with him :3

[Paladin]

Originally posted by 😈:

So that means even if I start a new game plus with ALL of the spells unlocked, I can still do the quests and finish the game by just letting my companions get their Gifts for magic, then after the showdown with Rogue I'll be back up to 100% gift mastery?

If that's the case I think Imma do another playthrough as blue I had a LOT of fun with him :3

You can't get the gifts again with Blue after his story in NG+. But, the gift only allows a character to learn the higher tier spells. If you already have the spells, the gift is meaningless. You can still do the quests, as mentioned previously.

This is why, back in the original, there was a trick with the Rune Sword. You get the Rune gift, then sacrifice your rune spells and buy the 4 Arcane spells to get Shield and Grail, then use the Victory Rune in the Rune Sword. Since your character has the gift, it will learn back all the rune spells eventually. Letting you have both schools.

This also can be done by Mystics and Realm magic via Purple Eye. Learn Realm magic and sacrifice your Mystic spells. Since all Mystics have the mystic magic Gift, they can use Phantasm shot via Purple Eye and relearn all their Mystic magic spells.

So, in NG+, if you let Rouge win, all of the routes that can recruit Rouge will get a super mage with all the spells.

You can always do the quests so other characters get the gifts. And Rouge will keep all his physical techs learned after the duel and also 99 in Int, Con and Psy.

If you let Blue win, he'll be the same in any subsequent NG+ playthroughs for his own scenario and on Fuse's Case Files, as you can recruit Blue in Devin.

[drae_perin]

Yes, that's right, you can keep all your spells from NG+ and you will progress through the quests and become the Master Magician as usual.

The only caveat might be that Rouge's NG+ data affects Master Magician Rouge.

Originally posted by Cipher:

You can't get the gifts again with Blue after his story in NG+. But, the gift only allows a character to learn the higher tier spells. If you already have the spells, the gift is meaningless. You can still do the quests, as mentioned previously.

Technically you can get the gift again if you choose to remove the spells you have learned, which can be done at the magic shops, if, for any reason, you prefer that. You can't unlearn Time / Space from the shops though, because you won't have access to the shops.

Originally posted by Cipher:

So, in NG+, if you let Rouge win, all of the routes that can recruit Rouge will get a super mage with all the spells.

Rouge will have the NG+ version of the Master Magician spells even if you defeat Rouge and make Blue the Master Magician. The game performs modifications to Blue and Rouge in the character data regardless of which character is placed in the Leadership role after the Duel.

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Ok cool so if I have Rogue maxed out as an S Rank Sword Fighter who can also DSC, he still gets to keep all that if I let him beat Blue, I just end up playing as him instead of Blue and can get the gift for Mind Magic with him instead?

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Since that's the only way to get the gift of mind magic for rogue it's probably a good idea to.

[drae_perin]

Yes, exactly. Rouge will retain physical stats, techniques, and spells just like Blue through NG+ and Master Magician Duels.

[AnnoyingFoxgirl]

You will start with all spells that do not require the "gift". So for time/space you'll just have the ones you can buy. It doesn't sequence break anything and lets you keep some of them.

This also works for Rogue so having him win the Blue/Rogue fight once for your NG+ data is worth it because then he has a much larger pool of spells when you first recruit him.

[AnnoyingFoxgirl]

My phone auto corrected, sorry mr. grammar police.

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Originally posted by drae_perin:

R O U G E

Is it really so difficult to understand that his name is a COLOR and not a character class from Dungeons and Dragons?

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OMG I never noticed, all these years I've just been reading it as Rogue and thinking it was Rogue, but all this time it's been Rouge. Wow.

It sounds like I definitely should let Rouge win one just to get him Mind Magic all maxed out.

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You can regain gifts. Just discard the corresponding (or opposing) magic in the menu. You have to do this if you want to get Silence in NG+.

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I don't think you can discard the magic since you know all the spells.

Unless there's an method beyond learning new spells that I'm unaware of.

[drae_perin]

Talk to the shop attendant in the shop of the type of magic you have and the option to discard it is in the shop.

I did mention this earlier.

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Like, to learn Rune Magic and discard arcane spells, I have to be able to buy a Rune Spell I don't already have. Can't do that with Blue/Rogue after they learn all the spells.

[tiornys]

Originally posted by 😈:

Like, to learn Rune Magic and discard arcane spells, I have to be able to buy a Rune Spell I don't already have. Can't do that with Blue/Rogue after they learn all the spells.

If you want to discard Arcane spells, you can go to the Arcane shop and choose to discard them.