Increased price, decreased quality. AAA games in 2023.

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[Sparhawk122]

Yup. It all started with Gamepass in my opinion.

[Leylin Archeron]

video games have become even more rotten than real life. The lower low created by cd projekt have been accepted and embraced, this is the new standard

[KingQuayTsar]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Yup. It all started with Gamepass in my opinion.

I had never even considered that, it does seem like a lot of people have the mindset "doesn't matter cuz it's on gamepass so I get it for "free"."

[FF.]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Yup. It all started with Gamepass in my opinion.

Jedi Survivor had nothing to do with Gamepass, but still...

[InstableMonster]

Originally posted by FFrozn.:

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Yup. It all started with Gamepass in my opinion.

Jedi Survivor had nothing to do with Gamepass, but still...

Not but its on ea play pro, which is the same principle. Game available with a subscription, which people dont put as much money in as the full price of a game, so studios sees less money, so less effort is put in to maximise revenue with this business model

[Kiros]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Yup. It all started with Gamepass in my opinion.

For me, I started to notice shameful practices when the original Kotor released. Then we just kept accepting more & more and here we are.

If you preorder a triple A game you will be disappointed. Doesn't matter if you leave a bad review if you keep rewarding companies for terrible business decisions.

[Derik-For-Real]

forspoken, last of us p1, Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone, GOW and more actually had nothing to do with gamepass, still ♥♥♥♥♥♥ pc port on many levels while asking premium price.

The funny thing is also, majority of these games I mentioned were based on ps4 hardware nd then rebranded to ps5 nd then ported to pc, in other words old games that run on a ps4 required a very beefy hardware specs. The hardware requirements are absolute piss poor of incompetence, see this has nothing to do with gamepass. Specifically Sony ports are the worst of its kind, in some instances it even looks worse then console version which doesnt make sense, you really have to open your eyes and dont let them screw you.

Its just devs nd publishers screwing around with end users, the sollution is just dont buy it at all cost.

[Leylin Archeron]

As a happy xbox player on the 360 generation, I had said that the Microsoft success and the gamepass success is the worst thing that happened in gaming. Their vision is rotten and I was insulted to the core for this statement by all the optimistic idiots.

100% digital is already a done deal, half finished rotten products is a done deal, the next step for Microsoft is 100% streaming. Fiber is coming all over the world and that future is just around the corner.

Of course the optimistic idiots will insult me again, but in the meantime you are the ones responsible for all this, not Microsoft. They're just doing business.

[stefanw1337]

I know what you all think. And I was there as well. But let me tell you something.

No, not really. $60 always being the price of games as I know, even in 1995 with worse graphics. And with todays value (about 88% increased), that's about $110! Meaning games costing $70 or even $100 is still "underpriced" with the same value as in 1995 (at $60). And so yes, games was overpriced in 1995, and then now actually underpriced.

One could argue that, well.. There's MTX and DLCs in todays games. But that could also be because people refuse to pay more than $60 for a game, and since that's less and less of a value, MTX could help them with that and even bring in MORE in certain cases and if done right. And with the "new" pricing of $70 or $100 you get DLCs (AND pre-order ♥♥♥♥) with the "edition" games these days. Also Redfall doesn't have MTX or an ingame shop. Price isn't the problem with this or new AAA games.

[HIKAGE]

Although slightly older, we recommend Monster Hunter Sunbreak. It's cheap and fun. And yet you can play it for 1000 hours and still not play it enough.

[InstableMonster]

Originally posted by stefanw1337:

I know what you all think. And I was there as well. But let me tell you something.

No, not really. $60 always being the price of games as I know, even in 1995 with worse graphics. And with todays value (about 88% increased), that's about $110! Meaning games costing $70 or even $100 is still "underpriced" with the same value as in 1995 (at $60). And so yes, games was overpriced in 1995, and then now actually underpriced.

One could argue that, well.. There's MTX and DLCs in todays games. But that could also be because people refuse to pay more than $60 for a game, and since that's less and less of a value, MTX could help them with that and even bring in MORE in certain cases and if done right. And with the "new" pricing of $70 or $100 you get DLCs (AND pre-order ♥♥♥♥) with the "edition" games these days. Also Redfall doesn't have MTX or an ingame shop. Price isn't the problem with this or new AAA games.

You forget to take into account that games are mostly sold digital now, when there are physical edition they are cheaper to produce than cartridges and that games sell a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton more than they did back then and that its not as much of a niche market

[Professor Goat]

there's a reason reviews were withheld and this game released on gamepass from day 1.. glad i watched streamers who snuck in early on this. saved myself $70. went the gamepass route and what i experienced was a $20 indie game riddled with bugs (especially around party play), outdated graphics (not talking art style) and ai that is 1998 braindead even on the hardest available difficulty. smdfh delayed for a year for what? artificial hype? what did they want us to pay $70 for? deep rock galactic should be considered a AAA game with the state these billion dollar backed games are releasing at..

[Sstrayz]

Exactly op

[stefanw1337]

Originally posted by InstableMonster:

Originally posted by stefanw1337:

I know what you all think. And I was there as well. But let me tell you something.

No, not really. $60 always being the price of games as I know, even in 1995 with worse graphics. And with todays value (about 88% increased), that's about $110! Meaning games costing $70 or even $100 is still "underpriced" with the same value as in 1995 (at $60). And so yes, games was overpriced in 1995, and then now actually underpriced.

One could argue that, well.. There's MTX and DLCs in todays games. But that could also be because people refuse to pay more than $60 for a game, and since that's less and less of a value, MTX could help them with that and even bring in MORE in certain cases and if done right. And with the "new" pricing of $70 or $100 you get DLCs (AND pre-order ♥♥♥♥) with the "edition" games these days. Also Redfall doesn't have MTX or an ingame shop. Price isn't the problem with this or new AAA games.

You forget to take into account that games are mostly sold digital now, when there are physical edition they are cheaper to produce than cartridges and that games sell a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton more than they did back then and that its not as much of a niche market

Yes, you're right. So maybe $70 now is like $40 (in 1995) then, with the 88% increase? So $40 for a digital game? Seems fair pricing to me. And I'm not so positive that they sell a gazillion-ton more now.. At least when there's other issues, performance issues, launch problems, online only giving negative reviews or even review-bombing going on..

[InstableMonster]

Originally posted by stefanw1337:

Originally posted by InstableMonster:

You forget to take into account that games are mostly sold digital now, when there are physical edition they are cheaper to produce than cartridges and that games sell a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton more than they did back then and that its not as much of a niche market

Yes, you're right. So maybe $70 now is like $40 (in 1995) then, with the 88% increase? So $40 for a digital game? Seems fair pricing to me.

Except salaries havent doubled and the price of everything else has also gone up and thus gaming is just as expensive as ever and your calculations failing to take into account every aspects of the economy dont mean much.


To account for your edit doubting the video game market has grown

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-years-gaming-history-revenue-stream/