Ash of Gods: The Way

Ash of Gods: The Way

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Wizah May 1, 2023 @ 3:45pm
Cant fight Gollah Champion Hargell
Hello, when I get to Gollah Champion Hargell it says "I cannot fight you Frisian, you need to fight my other commanders" , however I've completed all the prior content... am I missing something? Thanks.
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bijou  [developer] May 1, 2023 @ 4:30pm 
Originally posted by Wizah:
Hello, when I get to Gollah Champion Hargell it says "I cannot fight you Frisian, you need to fight my other commanders" , however I've completed all the prior content... am I missing something? Thanks.

Other commanders is his adjutants. I am not sure what's your problem. Perhaps, you've beat all the adjutants already. But yes, that means you didn't end the day and never tried Challenger battles.

Perhaps, you have played only the Qualifying rounds both in Ursus and Rigga.

Challenger battles are the same fights but considerably harder with new additional mechanics and rules. In Ursus you can skip them, though you can get additional rewards. In Rigga, you can also skip them despite the fact your companions literally trying to convince you to play that battles to get additional rewards and impress Quinna. Without them you miss all her story and can't get a good ending.

In Gollah you can't ignore Challenger battles, basically, you have to win every adjutant in the hard versions of the battles. Also, Hargell is going to tease you and you have to answer. There are several options how to approach this.

You can insult Hargell to make him want to fight you or you can try to get his respect by witty remarks and jokes, sometimes mocking. This will result in different consequences. But you can also fail to irritate him or earn his respect and end up with a neutral reputation. This way you won't be able to do much and will end up with just one option in the story.

Hope that helps.
bijou  [developer] May 1, 2023 @ 4:32pm 
This is Challenger fights:

https://prnt.sc/SPQuOwhq4-Gv
Wizah May 1, 2023 @ 5:24pm 
This helps, thanks for your time and a great game.
bijou  [developer] May 1, 2023 @ 5:44pm 
Originally posted by Wizah:
This helps, thanks for your time and a great game.

You are always welcome. Please, consider to support us and leave an honest review on Steam. This is really important for us.

Have a good game.
Sin May 1, 2023 @ 6:02pm 
Same for me I got mostly 3 stars on the challenger fights but won't let me challenge him.
bijou  [developer] May 1, 2023 @ 6:07pm 
Originally posted by Brian81:
Same for me I got mostly 3 stars on the challenger fights but won't let me challenge him.

Once again, the previous tournament was about your success in ерпу arena mostly. While this tournament in Gollah is mostly about how you talk to the guy. I understand it is not nice to have single word answer but I will add an option to see the full answers behind them with the next patch this week, hopefully.

Basically, you have to decide for yourself if you want to try and earn his respect or insult him. These're the ways to make him fight you. But they will give you different options and endings of the tournament. If you didn't get his respect or didn't insult him enough, your reputation is neutral, and he'll refuse to fight you. Also, you will be stuck with just one option to end the tournament.
Elena Morane May 2, 2023 @ 3:20am 
sigh .... that was really not a fine game experience. It is one thing, that some of the answers will lead to a case, where Hargell will refusing to fight against me. Not exactly clear why, but i can good live with that.
But a totally other thing is, that after that, my only choice is to poisen him. Why i cannnot warn him at this point of the game? I didnt want to poisen him and now Quinna is gone alse because of that
Thats bad writing and leaves me really disappointed and at that moment all my motivation (which was great till this point) to play further is gone. My game and story experience is somehow broken now.
There i no way to replay a hole region again?
bijou  [developer] May 2, 2023 @ 3:28am 
Thats bad writing and leaves me really disappointed and at that moment all my motivation (which was great till this point) to play further is gone.

I understand the frustration but the idea was that your protagonist is not stupid enough to tell a guy who really didn't like him anything about his right hand. Also, Finn's loyal to Berkana and he understands that he should do it to save his country.

I could add an option to tell everything but the protagonist will fail, and you end up with a bad ending for the tournament. Will that cause frustration? I guess so. The only thing is, you won't lose Q.

I can also give you an option to not adding poison to the cup but it is the same. I can think about it, though, if you think you are ready to lose and stuck with that save where you failed completely.

As for the answers, I will fix that, as I said. And yes, there's no way to replay the whole region again. Perhaps, I have to think about that as well. I am not sure.
Jaeger King May 2, 2023 @ 6:04pm 
I too am having trouble getting around this. I somehow failed to meet the respect threshold to fight the guy an no left with no option but poison him which leads me to a bad conclusion to me. I am going to have to restart the game and try again which really drains my desire to continue. I understand the concept of actions have consequences but i feel it was not explained well enough on how to do that and now im left with a bad option i wont do or just play game again which is awful. I really really wish there were more saves so im not soft locked here. Maybe redo the whole area but I don't know if im going to redo it at least not right now
bijou  [developer] May 2, 2023 @ 6:10pm 
Originally posted by Jaeger King:
I too am having trouble getting around this. I somehow failed to meet the respect threshold to fight the guy an no left with no option but poison him which leads me to a bad conclusion to me. I am going to have to restart the game and try again which really drains my desire to continue. I understand the concept of actions have consequences but i feel it was not explained well enough on how to do that and now im left with a bad option i wont do or just play game again which is awful. I really really wish there were more saves so im not soft locked here. Maybe redo the whole area but I don't know if im going to redo it at least not right now

Thank you for your feedback. I suggest you to wait for the patch.

I desperately needed some feedback about that tournament from real players because our tests was not enough, and I had doubts about the way I executed it.

I am going to add a lot of things there. An ability to read the texts behind the buttons to make sure you really want your protagonist to say this. Hargell reactions will be highlighted in some way, so you can understand what you did with your answer. I will also add some options for a player when he's stuck with neutral reputation. And the ability to replay a tournament, perhaps.

It is going to take a while though. We will release a patch this week with some important fixes, then we have a week to rest and then we'll come back to deliver what I just promised. Thank you for your support and I am sorry if I disappointed and discouraged you.
Wizah May 2, 2023 @ 6:15pm 
Thanks @bijou, it was an abrupt way to hit this wall in the story and not really understand what had happened, but I am completing all the 3/3 star matches now.

For folks like me who may skip or skim through the story, an adjustment may help.

Glad this post has helped others too...
Jaeger King May 2, 2023 @ 6:18pm 
Originally posted by bijou:
Originally posted by Jaeger King:
I too am having trouble getting around this. I somehow failed to meet the respect threshold to fight the guy an no left with no option but poison him which leads me to a bad conclusion to me. I am going to have to restart the game and try again which really drains my desire to continue. I understand the concept of actions have consequences but i feel it was not explained well enough on how to do that and now im left with a bad option i wont do or just play game again which is awful. I really really wish there were more saves so im not soft locked here. Maybe redo the whole area but I don't know if im going to redo it at least not right now

Thank you for your feedback. I suggest you to wait for the patch.

I desperately needed some feedback about that tournament from real players because our tests was not enough, and I had doubts about the way I executed it.

I am going to add a lot of things there. An ability to read the texts behind the buttons to make sure you really want your protagonist to say this. Hargell reactions will be highlighted in some way, so you can understand what you did with your answer. I will also add some options for a player when he's stuck with neutral reputation. And the ability to replay a tournament, perhaps.

It is going to take a while though. We will release a patch this week with some important fixes, then we have a week to rest and then we'll come back to deliver what I just promised. Thank you for your support and I am sorry if I disappointed and discouraged you.
It is so rare to get actual feedback. Sometimes I feel like I am just typing into the void. I asked around the community if anyone has a save after rigga. I may just have to do it again,,, I will say everything up until that was a good time I enjoyed. Its always a risk to do something different and innovative sometimes it lands sometimes it doesnt. You have my respect for trying something different. I look forward to see what happens next :)
bijou  [developer] May 2, 2023 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by Jaeger King:
I asked around the community if anyone has a save after rigga.

As I said I can help you with it.
R T A Jan 6, 2024 @ 12:45pm 
I was doing a good guy run until I hit a wall with this mechanic. I didn't poison him. So I left the city without fighting the champion... Because of the dumb dialogue choices where I had to guess what that idiot character would find funny or not. That was extremely lame... Almost dropped the game
bijou  [developer] Jan 7, 2024 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by R T A:
I was doing a good guy run until I hit a wall with this mechanic. I didn't poison him. So I left the city without fighting the champion... Because of the dumb dialogue choices where I had to guess what that idiot character would find funny or not. That was extremely lame... Almost dropped the game

I do understand that is not for everyone. But the negative result is also a result, and it is important for the story. You are still making a good guy run but the circumstances were too hard for you. Personally, I find it interesting because you can't always know how the world around you is going to react to your actions, and that's the point.

I know, some players are playing for achievements and think it is better to get the best possible result but it is also very predictable. This way you can play with a guide, and I believe it removes the fun of being in the game.

Anyway, you can replay the tournament if you want to. There's an option in the ESC-menu. And if you want to make a perfect run, this information below will help you:

It is not about guessing. The point of the game is to find out more about this Chieftain character. He's a decent warrior, and you can earn his respect if you are acting like one. A true warrior knows his worth and won't get provoked when he hears an insult because he won't take it seriously. A true warrior might have answer with witty jokes, challenging the Chieftain or simply being serious and talk with dignity.
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