Announcement has AI images?

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Are these images from the recent announcement actual examples of the character stories?

Because they look AI generated. If so, that seems pretty lame and cheap.

I know it is a small studio and AI can have it's place in the gaming space- but if these images are indicative of the actual in-game art and character stories, I would be pretty disappointed.

Again, not throwing shade. Just asking if this is really what players were expecting if true.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

*Crickets...

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

So no response here about the AI art?

I really hope the AI Art in these screen captures posted in the recent update / announcement is not what we should expect.

[Acid_Brad]

If you think this was something we was keeping from everyone we wasn't. The follow text has been on the store page for while now.

 AI GENERATED CONTENT DISCLOSURE
The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:

Use of AI for backgrounds images in the menu presentation. Some decorative assets in the game like posters and paintings. 

AI is a tool and is use in a lot newer programs the whole image isn't fully AI generated.

Also we rarely come here to view post and such, mainly due to the fact WE WORKING ON THE GAME!!

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

A while? Many of the players who supported this bought the game near the beginning- when there was no such disclosure.

I honestly don't know what to say to this response...

Good luck I guess,

[Acid_Brad]

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

A while? Many of the players who supported this bought the game near the beginning- when there was no such disclosure.

I honestly don't know what to say to this response...

Good luck I guess,

Yea and it's an early access game something was bound to change at some point........

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Okay. You sound a bit upset and hostile. Not a great look. I am allowed to discuss the current state of things and let others know. If that is offensive, make positive change.

Many players have supported you all from the beginning and did not ever expect AI stories. I mean, selling the keys in bundles with other fully completed games years back didn't seem to be an issue for you guys- seems strange... It's early access when it is beneficial for you- but not when it comes to bundles or sales right?

Take a look at a game called Interstellar Marines on Steam if you want a fascinating case-study of how not to promote your EA Title. It follows a similar path as this.

There seems to be little playtesting in-house and relying on players reporting bugs when NOBODY is playing your game online is telling. THat should have been an absolute necessity. Because casuals and hardcore players alike expect a 1.0 release to be a final build. If the game was doing well and people liked the current state of things- there would be players playing online. And there would be more "free testing" from your community. This is not how you conduct that. It's that simple.

You have bigger problems than people being upset about AI images. You seem to have plenty of time to respond to issues and critiques / reviews... Even a cursory glance from anyone on the reviews page can see what I am talking about.

This seems like a total mess and the amount of "positive reviews" With a single sentence and less than 10 hours of playtime is also strange. I wonder if it is because there is less than ten hours of total content- Or, that those reviews are possibly not legit. Who knows right?

No responses from devs for a ton of those reviews that are positive- but almost every negative review has some response from a dev team member... Make it make sense.

I am disappointed with how this has been going and this all seems like a complete breakdown in good-faith. I completely understand the limited resources and small team- It's one of the reasons I supported the game initially. But this isn't what should be occurring. At all. I wish you all the best, but honestly- this game will garner the praise or ridicule it honestly deserves. Nothing you can type or dismiss will change that.

My review has been updated. I suggest not responding to it. It only lets potential buyers know that devs responding to critique seem more important than making the game the best it can be.

[Hur4c4n]

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

Okay. You sound a bit upset and hostile. Not a great look. I am allowed to discuss the current state of things and let others know. If that is offensive, make positive change.

Many players have supported you all from the beginning and did not ever expect AI stories. I mean, selling the keys in bundles with other fully completed games years back didn't seem to be an issue for you guys- seems strange... It's early access when it is beneficial for you- but not when it comes to bundles or sales right?

Take a look at a game called Interstellar Marines on Steam if you want a fascinating case-study of how not to promote your EA Title. It follows a similar path as this.

There seems to be little playtesting in-house and relying on players reporting bugs when NOBODY is playing your game online is telling. THat should have been an absolute necessity. Because casuals and hardcore players alike expect a 1.0 release to be a final build. If the game was doing well and people liked the current state of things- there would be players playing online. And there would be more "free testing" from your community. This is not how you conduct that. It's that simple.

You have bigger problems than people being upset about AI images. You seem to have plenty of time to respond to issues and critiques / reviews... Even a cursory glance from anyone on the reviews page can see what I am talking about.

This seems like a total mess and the amount of "positive reviews" With a single sentence and less than 10 hours of playtime is also strange. I wonder if it is because there is less than ten hours of total content- Or, that those reviews are possibly not legit. Who knows right?

No responses from devs for a ton of those reviews that are positive- but almost every negative review has some response from a dev team member... Make it make sense.

I am disappointed with how this has been going and this all seems like a complete breakdown in good-faith. I completely understand the limited resources and small team- It's one of the reasons I supported the game initially. But this isn't what should be occurring. At all. I wish you all the best, but honestly- this game will garner the praise or ridicule it honestly deserves. Nothing you can type or dismiss will change that.

My review has been updated. I suggest not responding to it. It only lets potential buyers know that devs responding to critique seem more important than making the game the best it can be.

Hi there,
Your last message sounds a bit all over the place to me, I'll try to adress your concerns as briefly as I can:
We're a tiny team and have been overwhelmed most of the time during the past4 years at least. Trying to produce and improve everything at the same time is a tedious job. We're aware we won't meet everyone's expectation and we've stayed in Eearly Access as long as it was necessary not to "fool" anybody and collect user's feedback to guide us while maintaining a VERY reasonable price.
We hope for some understanding from the users but we also understand that it's not their job to care how a product is made.
With that said some of your claim are unfounded: if we had the means to hire people to write false comment we'd rather hire more testers. When people are happy with the game there's not much to add but we make sure to adress people who have some concern or valid critics as it helps us improve the game as I mentioned before, I don't see anything odd with that.
I'm very sorry to hear that you feel we're disapointing you, We'll continue to give our best we can, for the sake of the game and the future of the company. Feel free to follow us or just move on with other games if you feel such discomfort with our direction. That's all we can do for the moment.
Have a nice day.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

I'll just leave this here. It's a review that seems to mirror what I was talking about. The responses and fact it was never changed or altered is telling. Unfounded? Really?

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198030784015/recommended/1291170/

My points in my previous post were not all over the place. They were absolutely surgical- and I believe that the devs know this. There are other reviews- I urge anyone reading this to look at them.

I hope 1.0 is as great as everyone hopes and believes it'll be. I truly would love to see this game improve and succeed. But the last few years of development are not eliciting confidence. AI Art is only the tip of the iceberg.

[AveryChu]

I recently purchased and have now placed a refund request with Steam after learning about the use of A.I. As an artist and someone very enthusiastic about this game's premise; I am very disappointed by the end result.

[Diligence]

Yes the game shouldn't have been released like this!!

[HakethKOTB]

I'll be honest, this was a project I followed for awhile and was always hype to watch the dev vids on youtube and looking forward to the full release. I fell behind on updates for awhile and saw the release trailer and got excited, y'all did the thing and that's great! But I was dismayed to see what stuck out to me as some AI art on the STEAM page and then confirming that in the description.

Theirs a decent amount of people that are enthusiast like myself for Indie Fighting Games that will now pass over this game because of the AI use. I do not understand tanking the games reputation on something like this that is extremely unpopular and rightfully derided. Theirs no upside to using it and it tends to stick out and look awful and worse yet, have no hear to it. Even if the quality may not have been what would be ideal, the elements that are touched with AI would have been better crafted by hand.

Sad to say I'll pass on the game for now till this changes.

[MR-TYLENOLJONES]

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

A while? Many of the players who supported this bought the game near the beginning- when there was no such disclosure.

I honestly don't know what to say to this response...

Good luck I guess,

Man this guy. What a clown. You acting like this took away peoples jobs. Youre acting like this has impact on the game. Get over it dawg.

[MR-TYLENOLJONES]

Originally posted by HakethKOTB:

I'll be honest, this was a project I followed for awhile and was always hype to watch the dev vids on youtube and looking forward to the full release. I fell behind on updates for awhile and saw the release trailer and got excited, y'all did the thing and that's great! But I was dismayed to see what stuck out to me as some AI art on the STEAM page and then confirming that in the description.

Theirs a decent amount of people that are enthusiast like myself for Indie Fighting Games that will now pass over this game because of the AI use. I do not understand tanking the games reputation on something like this that is extremely unpopular and rightfully derided. Theirs no upside to using it and it tends to stick out and look awful and worse yet, have no hear to it. Even if the quality may not have been what would be ideal, the elements that are touched with AI would have been better crafted by hand.

Sad to say I'll pass on the game for now till this changes.

LOOOL another one?? Ai pictures in the background have 0 effect in gane play. Jesus get over it. Minimal use of ai and yall act like the worlds ending. I played this in 5th grade on school computers. You probably werent even around then. Its wild theres a group of sensitive people out there who wont buy a game cos of back ground ai. Every video game has ai and has had ai. Just stop gaming and go cry in your hole in the ground.

[Mitch T TRDM]

Originally posted by MR-TYLENOLJONES:

Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:

A while? Many of the players who supported this bought the game near the beginning- when there was no such disclosure.

I honestly don't know what to say to this response...

Good luck I guess,

Man this guy. What a clown. You acting like this took away peoples jobs. Youre acting like this has impact on the game. Get over it dawg.

Please refrain on any sort of name calling.
there's criticisms on both sides to be made but we must keep things civil in these forums, thank you.

[Clockwork Brain]

I mean, it's still early access. There's a decent chance these AI generated images are being used as placeholders so they can focus more on the coding side of things.