Ram / Fist weapon is OP

[Meta]

Won 120 rounds on the first attempt with the new weapon. Probably a bit too strong

[Nick]

an oversight happened and got fixed by devs, it should be more reasonable now

[GC13]

Originally posted by Nick:

an oversight happened and got fixed by devs, it should be more reasonable now

No, I just finished a run and beat the all 120 waves easily. The closest I came to dying was trying to chase the Hell Bird boss out of the boss arena with my fists and eating a lot of damage as a result.

[Explicitly Offensive Cuneiform]

Is it op? or are you op?

Were you making it to 120 waves before? what other weapons did you have? how many other captains were upgraded?

I too made it to 120, and beat the game first try with ram, but i have a lot of cubes invested in stuff and chose combos i am comfortable with. So Is it legitimately op, or do we just use it well? I had nova, ramfists, wolfpack, and plasma. I never play without plasma.

It does VERY well on the swarm enemies. Those used to be the run enders but now they just get smacked aside. I suspect combined with slime trail this would be a crazy combo. Not sure about with vermilion as crew because standing still in this game is suicide unless there is a tactic i am unaware of. that may need some rework, like an increase for weapon range, damage or critical?

[Xakyrie]

I actually don't think RAM is OP. Strong sure, but considering the risk of thinking you're invulnerable from the front and NOT killing something is death, I think it's fine.

I do think the knock back distance is too much though, I think like half a screen MAX with like a log curve for power would keep the gloves in line. I also think that the invulnerability is a tad strong.

Rather instead of RAM being OP, I think its simply that Nova and Static field are lousy late game, and rockets and laser are just useless.

I think the inability to use them safely on the Firebird boss is plenty for balance.

[Mokona]

Boxing glove + slime and nothing can touch you. Really changed the game but honestly I would say its in the right direction.

[Gonflick]

Ram is Best Boy. Hes from Ram Ranch . Also got 120 second try cause i only had fire ball static and slime spent 5 mins on 120 boss first run got bored so i died to do over with plasma.

[The_Watcher]

Boxing+Static are great together. Never much liked Static before, but the Slowdown is timed just right fore the gloves.

[Gray Knight]

Yeah the hardest thing for Boxing is the Hellbird(bloody coward stays out of range of your fist) and the player not turning fast enough to not get rammed by an ship from behind

[Time Drake]

Originally posted by Xakyrie:

I actually don't think RAM is OP. Strong sure, but considering the risk of thinking you're invulnerable from the front and NOT killing something is death, I think it's fine.

I do think the knock back distance is too much though, I think like half a screen MAX with like a log curve for power would keep the gloves in line. I also think that the invulnerability is a tad strong.

Rather instead of RAM being OP, I think its simply that Nova and Static field are lousy late game, and rockets and laser are just useless.

I think the inability to use them safely on the Firebird boss is plenty for balance.

I think they just need their own captain to become strong.

[Carfal]

I could never beat platinum before, first run with Ram I also got to 120, you're so safe with the boxing glove now that getting swarmed (which was my biggest issue before) is never a problem again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2948524151

[E942]

The true change is that we have some invincibility now. In combination with Ram's additional hull this helps a lot.

[The_Watcher]

Invincibility definitively makes prioritizing hull viable now.

[Muscarine]

It's more like he's filling the gap for the only real game ending threat, the raming mob faceplant deleting your entire life bar in 0.7 seconds

Now with Ram fists you just bounce those away and convert them into extra damage and spacing

Vermillion + Ram copilot is probably the best setup right now, with 360° auto coverage you just spin to win

You could add a third copilot but i'd rather max out static field especially for the slow down, and rockets

[Yinan]

Yeah, the Boxing Gloves are basically mandatory now to get to 120 because they offer a town of survivability for the number 1 cause of death:
Getting surrounded by the enemies that swarm you.
Thanks to the Boxing Gloves, you can now escape that and even do a ton of damage. Heck, you basically now WANT to be surrounded like that as that gives you more suckers to bounce the others into and thus do more damage.

So yeah, Boxing Gloves are OP, and I am glad that they are. I was really struggling with this game getting past the third boss and now I can finally do runs that can even go to the end.

[GC13]

Actually, I do think it's the hull invincibility that was responsible for most of the ease of this build. I just went Luna/Azurene/Corrosia and picked up Nova as my last weapon, and still beat wave 120; the highest I had ever beat with Luna before was Platinum.

The boxing glove is still an incredibly good weapon for this game because it's a direct counter to this game's sole threat, not having an escape route, but hull invincibility alone has got me much farther than I could have gone without it.