Storyline of Siralim 3 connected to Siralim U? Recap of Siralim 3?

[Fedup]

From the intro/tutorial, I think that Siralim Ultimate continues the story of Siralim 3, in a vague way. But... I never finished Siralim 3! I liked it and all, but I played it on and off and mostly grinding. Then I saw this game and bought it.

So... could anyone give me a short recap of what happens in Siralim 3 please? I left the storyline when you start to suspect that "things are not what they seem" and notice some gods behaving strange.

[Radiowavehero]

I'm in the same boat, played part of siralim 3 but skipped to ultimate because of the improvements , now I'm confused on how 3 relates to ultimate, this is what I've been able to find so far.

They seem to be alternate worlds. In 1 and 2 you were king of siralim , in 3 you were nex being invaded by the kingdom of siralim who's ruler went insane after prolonged usage of nether orbs, during the events of 3 you realize something isn't right with the gods as they force you to kill innocent creatures.

The kingdom of siralim already realized this and were mainly aiming to take out of the gods themselves along with conquering the world.

Nex managed to avoid going insane and literally fought off their inner demons as a boss fight. so Siralim 1 2 3 are connected but ultimate is like a reboot, we are siralim this time but not the exact siralim from 1 2 and 3.

We don't have the history of going insane or being the evil tyrant , this time nex seems to be the one insane and corrupted. So I don't think these are the same world , maybe an alternate timeline.

Hopefully someone can come along and give a nice TLDR on the story of 3 to fill in the gaps.

I'm about to go back to play 3 from beginning to end just to figure it out , in the first 2 games the story was just a place holder but from 3 to ultimate it really picked up it seems.

[SirFish&ChipsIII]

Not from me but from the lore guy who was on the discord a while back Chumsie this is his basic run down

Each Siralim game, sans 3, revolves around the current heir to the throne of Siralim.

S1 is your grandparent, who basically built the place
S2 is your parent, who is... yikes
S3 is about the king of Nex defending his kingdom from the warmongering empire that Siralim has become over time.

SU is you. Also the entire royal line of Siralim are absolute bastards. The game's do not shy away from the idea that wizards are evil madpeople with too much power, and that the same applies to royalty.

There is way more lore i could get from old posts as well

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by SirFish&ChipsIII:

Not from me but from the lore guy who was on the discord a while back Chumsie this is his basic run down

Each Siralim game, sans 3, revolves around the current heir to the throne of Siralim.

S1 is your grandparent, who basically built the place
S2 is your parent, who is... yikes
S3 is about the king of Nex defending his kingdom from the warmongering empire that Siralim has become over time.

SU is you. Also the entire royal line of Siralim are absolute bastards. The game's do not shy away from the idea that wizards are evil madpeople with too much power, and that the same applies to royalty.

There is way more lore i could get from old posts as well

At least in SU, you also make such bizarrely terrible decisions that the fandom at one point decided you're a dog.

[Radiowavehero]

Going thru 3 again earlier I noticed something , probably just a call back to the first game but the first boss you fight in 3 is ianne the blacksmith, which was the name of the blacksmith in siralim 1 , also he keeps winking at you and acting non hostile except for when he says things like he is here to cut off the ruler of nex's head.

It made me wonder if my character was just being brain washed into killing some completely normal black smith, and from siralims point of view I would be the evil nex kingdom from siralim ultimate who attacks unprovoked.

Playing as nex in 3 , Hebron and Damaos attack us saying crazy stuff like they want to cut off our head and they have the appearance of monsters and the usual line up of gods are on our side , from siralims point of view Caliban shows up in our dream and says "trust me bro nex is evil" and we send Hebron and Damaos there to investigate things peacefully while we go off recruiting new gods.

Maybe both the kingdom of Siralim and Nex are being brainwashed into seeing each other as literal monsters and we are being used in some proxy war of the gods ?

I really should have finished 3 before skipping to ultimate but it was just too tempting to play the new game.

[Fedup]

Thank you for the comments but my confusion kinda remains. If I may ask, what's wrong with the gods in Siralim 3? I remember in Siralim 2 they show up during a fight and help you, boosting you and all. I remember the god of Anger showing up first and cursing the enemy angrily and Regalis trying to seduce your opponents.

[Radiowavehero]

Ok I just replayed 3 , here is a brief summary. unfortunately the story doesn't really explain why things happen , they just do. if you have any questions I'll try to answrer them. Right now it seems like siralim 3 and ultimate are not connected because of how 3 ends, but they might be alternate worlds where the history is slightly different but mostly the same.

At the start of siralim 3 we are the ruler of the kingdom of nex , we get attacked by the kingdom of siralim and the gods intervene helping us fight off the enemy , after that the gods ask us to assist them in reclaiming their territory in order to regain their powers so they can assist us in fighting the kingdom of siralim.

As you go from one gods realm to another defeating enemies you start to notice the gods acting strangely , they start off with forcing you into conflicts whenever you try to talk to the enemy , not allowing you to gain information or come to a peaceful conclusion , later on the gods are straight up lying to get you to kill innocent creatures so they can steal those creatures' lands to gain more power.

At one point we are told by the goddess of light that we are being corrupted and need to kill a certain monster Cyrah to stop it, we do so and the feeling of evil seems to pass but the gods seem to have disappeared , after going thru a few more realms we meet the ruler of siralim and learn it was just a trick.

The ruler of siralim was controlling the gods the whole time and the gods tricked us into killing that monster Cyrah to carry out siralims evil plans,

It's not really explain how Cyrah was preventing them from doing anything , in the game it's just a normal vulpine fox type monster but apparently it was preventing them from invading.

You fight the ruler of siralim who is controlling the gods and uses them in battle. after you win the ruler of siralim dies, the gods go back to normal and the story mode is over.

At that point you unlock something called Itherian realms which are explained as being a alternate dimension you can travel to and during the story mission the enemies we fought if you examined them were classified as Itherian so maybe that's where the evil siralim kingdom came from, an alternate world where siralim is evil.

[Fedup]

Thank you!
To be honest we don't have to know why Cyrah was the last impediment to the king of Siralim's conquest.
Also, considering we are trying to get a nether orb to control the gods, I think SU could be considered a "prequel" to S3. As in you do stuff and stop Nex. Then a few generations later an evil king of Siralim wants to take over the world(s) and the then-king of Nex stops him.

A question: How fun do you consider Siralim 3 compared to Siralim Ultimate?
I do enjoy Siralim Ultimate but frankly the combinations allowed are so many that I feel overwhelmed. An optimized team is mandatory and while my team is good with good synergies I think I may be missing out on some combos.
My main issue with S3 and the reason I changed to SU when I found out it exists a few days ago is that I didn't like the breeding mechanics of S3 with the priming and stuff. It more or less seemed pointless to breed creatures. S2 on the other hand had insanely powerful breeding mechanics to the point I was not progressing because I was constantly low-level-grinding to raise the stats of my monsters.

[Radiowavehero]

I consider 3 to be fun I've played all the classes and experimented a lot with builds so I am satisfied with the game, but the breeding is also a really big problem for me and the main reason I jumped over to Ultimate instead of doing the post game of 3.

You can ignore the breeding in 3 during the story , or use a guide , I used one called "Easy PDC Build Guide" on siralim 3 steam guides to breed a Queen dragon and make a simplified piercing dragon claws build , it worked great for rushing thru the storyline but I would need to optimize it a lot to make it work in higher realm post story content.

Honestly in both games there are a lot of combos and not all of them are the best but you can go a long way on even a decent combination so don't worry too much until you get stuck, or just check a few guides to get some ideas of what works but if you don't have all the monsters for it yet don't worry too much. (my PDC build only had the main monster , the rest I just made do with)

Ultimate might be overwhelming at first being able to have so many traits but just pick a theme of what you are trying to do and look at the monsters you can summon/breed and see if you can compliment your strategy, if you can't maybe you can instead add more survivability.

I usually pick a class and try to make a build based on the starter they come with. It's not the best but it's a good entry point.

[Fedup]

Thanks. I have not put tricks and traits to many of my weapons at the time, as I try to figure what I will do. And I am gathering creatures with interesting traits so far, and I plan to clear a few realms before I make my "main" team.

[Radiowavehero]

Nice, yeah don't be afraid to experiment with perks , you get an item pretty early on that lets you reset your perks for free (enchanted wardrobe) , and later you can even change classes.

The only thing to plan ahead for is you won't get the starter monsters of the class if you change to it, except in the case where the class requires a unique monster like the animator and grovetender class.

But in most cases you wouldn't be switching classes until you had a big stock of monsters to choose from.

[Fedup]

I haven't got any item that lets me reset my perks. Around when is "pretty early"? I have unlocked projects to change classes but I don't plan to, at the time.

[Radiowavehero]

Actually you start with it but it unlocks the ability to change mage classes later (like blood mage to animator , monk to illusionist etc) , its the purple dresser on the bottom right side the castle , near the book.

I was talking about siralim ultimate btw, sorry if you were talking about siralim 3 , that one takes a long time to be able to reset.

From the beginning of ultimate though you can use the dresser to reset your perks , it's one of the options on the list when you interact with the purple dresser/wardrobe

[Fedup]

Thank you!

[GenocideHeart]

This is almost one year old, but I'd like to add my 2 cents.

Originally posted by SirFish&ChipsIII:

Also the entire royal line of Siralim are absolute bastards. The game's do not shy away from the idea that wizards are evil madpeople with too much power, and that the same applies to royalty.

The first two Kings had every right to be angry at the Gods. Twice over do the Gods manipulate them to clean up THEIR divine mess while conveniently withholding information (like, for instance, how their awful treatment of the villain of S2 is what made him evil in the first place), and then basically abandon Siralim to its own devices. It's no wonder the Siralim king got fed up and turned on the Gods. Torun even calls the others out on the fact they're hypocrites - though he does so in his usual crass, vulgar style.

As for the connection between 3 and Ultimate, it's likely a retelling of the story of 3 from Siralim's perspective. The same events play out, only your viewpoint is different, and since you're playing AS the King of Siralim, you at least get to fix the mess you're in thanks to Caliban. Although both Siralim and Nex are left in ruins...

[Radiowavehero]

Yeah , I agree with the idea of it being the same story but two view points and since we are the player I think things went differently each time , so that would make it two timelines.

Perhaps in 3 when you see the people of siralim as monsters and evil creatures you are forced to attack it is because of calliban influencing you , and then from siralims perspective they were merely there to ask questions and were attacked for no reason.

I don't think the rulers themselves are evil , at least they are very popular with their own people , I do think they are all very naive and easily manipulated each time but that's mostly for story purposes.

Mere mortals are just the playthings of the gods in siralim (well at least during the storyline)