Build Ideas for Demonologist/Brewmaster/Mime, etc.

[Cid Raines]

I'm trying to get a decent build for every class but I'm having a really hard time coming up with anything good for a few of these.

Brewmaster - I feel like there's some synergy with Witch Doctor here but idk how to make it work



Witch Doctor - It feels like enemies do so little damage to each other when I make them attack themselves



Gladiator - Do I just have to use Meraxis to scale the damage up?



Demonologist - ???. I have a decent Necromancer build but idk what to do here.



Mime - ????. Completely lost as to what makes this good

[leqesai]

Are you looking for some build examples or a breakdown of what you might want to for each of these specs?

I have a pretty solid Witch Doctor build but I haven't done much with the others.

[Cid Raines]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Are you looking for some build examples or a breakdown of what you might want to for each of these specs?

I have a pretty solid Witch Doctor build but I haven't done much with the others.

I'll take a build example or just general ideas on what creatures/combos to use.

[leqesai]

Here's two examples of WD builds.

This one uses shades for major damage reduction/avoidance. The principle behind WD is getting enemies to kill themselves as fast as possible.
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=efa1c21ff8f475bb200f09ede5ef446be4a046e3e7a12f47f5f2831c3547c99c921bda4a5cab525c01d232853b7e66771bdf93c6296d&s=WD&a=DEBDEGPMGPMLTRA&r=araleblpelew

This is a more powerful build that typically ends as soon as any enemy gets a turn. Enemies start with only 60% health and whenever any of them takes a turn all enemies get healed (which becomes damage due to forced blight) for 35% of their max health.
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=1ff8f49c3a1475bb2010e172e5ef445a5cc5cb96bd4a40c1c2e2fa9044675a8f148d0bf787abbff3ee80a267d36b6dc8f7628247b5bc&s=WD&a=DERSBOPMGPMCTRA&r=______

Blight+Leech is useful on a WD because it is basically a damage multiplier. Cursed + Sarea's Command + Oula is really big turn 0 damage. If you have blight + leech on the enemies that damage increases substantially.

WD is one of the fastest clearing specs in the game. I like to use 2 anointment slots to ensure enemies can't resurrect, but there are many derivations on these setups that can be really effective.

[m.j.gaines]

Here's a ridiculously over-the-top Fermented Hops Brewmaster build:

https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=672c0dc99c92aa1b1b6589c753084fb3e620f079b5d85b9604d044128f48d9529c8b0182a132bff3ee808daa18f7628247b5bc711bb2&s=BR&a=TBOSBMINJDOOCLC&r=_al___ge

This build is designed to kill most things on turn 0 while being VERY hard to kill. The damage it deals also scales with the target's HP, so comparative level becomes pretty much meaningless. You can turn the difficulty all the way up and this build will be just as fast and safe.

On turn 0, Elqor Provokes and triggers a barrage of Fermented Hops spells. You're going to want to equip him with only Fermented Hops for this to work consistently. You will also want to equip the Laughing Wisp with nothing but various Resurrection Spells. The point of Supersonic is to prevent things like Salamanders and Vulpes from slowing you down in normal battles, and Righteous Concession is a countermeasure against Supersonic.

Some of the stuff in here is definitely overkill, so you can play with it to suit your preferences. I guarantee you will blast your way through instability 5 diff 9 with this.

[Mighty_Rathalos]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Here's two examples of WD builds.

This one uses shades for major damage reduction/avoidance. The principle behind WD is getting enemies to kill themselves as fast as possible.
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=efa1c21ff8f475bb200f09ede5ef446be4a046e3e7a12f47f5f2831c3547c99c921bda4a5cab525c01d232853b7e66771bdf93c6296d&s=WD&a=DEBDEGPMGPMLTRA&r=araleblpelew

hey there, I have a question regarding your build which you dont see in this planner
I want to use part of it for something different but wanna keep it in mind for if I ever fully build the Witch Doctor at some point. Your Shambler uses Consecrated Ground as a Trait which I luckily have one Item of but seing as it is a backer trait and I cant farm for it, what relic are you using for the shambler on your witch doctor? after all, it could be a while before I ever see that item drop again

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

Originally posted by leqesai:

Here's two examples of WD builds.

This one uses shades for major damage reduction/avoidance. The principle behind WD is getting enemies to kill themselves as fast as possible.
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=efa1c21ff8f475bb200f09ede5ef446be4a046e3e7a12f47f5f2831c3547c99c921bda4a5cab525c01d232853b7e66771bdf93c6296d&s=WD&a=DEBDEGPMGPMLTRA&r=araleblpelew

hey there, I have a question regarding your build which you dont see in this planner
I want to use part of it for something different but wanna keep it in mind for if I ever fully build the Witch Doctor at some point. Your Shambler uses Consecrated Ground as a Trait which I luckily have one Item of but seing as it is a backer trait and I cant farm for it, what relic are you using for the shambler on your witch doctor? after all, it could be a while before I ever see that item drop again

You'll end up with plenty more Consecrated Ground as you push through the game so I wouldn't worry about using it. Just run a build that is RI5 capable and you'll end up with lots of every trait material.

As for the relic I don't like using relics on Turn 0 builds. They slow up the game considerably. Having said that, a bunch of relics could be useful if you want to use them. I'd go for survivability (the NG3 plate thing, bloodseeker, thorn shield, blazefury etc.) Anything that gives stats, resurrections and/or revives is going to be a solid choice. No need for spell stuff and proc-on-hit debuffs or multi-hit/cast.

[Mighty_Rathalos]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

hey there, I have a question regarding your build which you dont see in this planner
I want to use part of it for something different but wanna keep it in mind for if I ever fully build the Witch Doctor at some point. Your Shambler uses Consecrated Ground as a Trait which I luckily have one Item of but seing as it is a backer trait and I cant farm for it, what relic are you using for the shambler on your witch doctor? after all, it could be a while before I ever see that item drop again

You'll end up with plenty more Consecrated Ground as you push through the game so I wouldn't worry about using it. Just run a build that is RI5 capable and you'll end up with lots of every trait material.

As for the relic I don't like using relics on Turn 0 builds. They slow up the game considerably. Having said that, a bunch of relics could be useful if you want to use them. I'd go for survivability (the NG3 plate thing, bloodseeker, thorn shield, blazefury etc.) Anything that gives stats, resurrections and/or revives is going to be a solid choice. No need for spell stuff and proc-on-hit debuffs or multi-hit/cast.

sorry, terminology, I meant artifact, for the trait slot.
and I have decently working Monk and Siegemaster build that runs through RI5 just fine and for the monk already did most Gods on lvl10 but I wanted to focus on unlocking guilds first before experimenting more when I stumbled upon your build.
so, for the time being I wanted to use the shambler the way you do in case I ever find myself trying your build.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

Originally posted by leqesai:

You'll end up with plenty more Consecrated Ground as you push through the game so I wouldn't worry about using it. Just run a build that is RI5 capable and you'll end up with lots of every trait material.

As for the relic I don't like using relics on Turn 0 builds. They slow up the game considerably. Having said that, a bunch of relics could be useful if you want to use them. I'd go for survivability (the NG3 plate thing, bloodseeker, thorn shield, blazefury etc.) Anything that gives stats, resurrections and/or revives is going to be a solid choice. No need for spell stuff and proc-on-hit debuffs or multi-hit/cast.

sorry, terminology, I meant artifact, for the trait slot.
and I have decently working Monk and Siegemaster build that runs through RI5 just fine and for the monk already did most Gods on lvl10 but I wanted to focus on unlocking guilds first before experimenting more when I stumbled upon your build.
so, for the time being I wanted to use the shambler the way you do in case I ever find myself trying your build.

In that case I'm really not sure what to suggest. I have no idea what your build is or how you intend to use it. Consecrated Ground is a really powerful trait but if you're using something else there are a number of alternatives.

[Mighty_Rathalos]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

sorry, terminology, I meant artifact, for the trait slot.
and I have decently working Monk and Siegemaster build that runs through RI5 just fine and for the monk already did most Gods on lvl10 but I wanted to focus on unlocking guilds first before experimenting more when I stumbled upon your build.
so, for the time being I wanted to use the shambler the way you do in case I ever find myself trying your build.

In that case I'm really not sure what to suggest. I have no idea what your build is or how you intend to use it. Consecrated Ground is a really powerful trait but if you're using something else there are a number of alternatives.

really just need it to get the lvl10 on the God that has a bunch of Minions on everyone, for that it can be naked technically because teh build has proven often enough that if I ever get a turn and the gods dont have a defense mechanism, they blow up.
just want to know how you use it in your build so I can put it aside in case I wanna build your team at some point

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

Originally posted by leqesai:

In that case I'm really not sure what to suggest. I have no idea what your build is or how you intend to use it. Consecrated Ground is a really powerful trait but if you're using something else there are a number of alternatives.

really just need it to get the lvl10 on the God that has a bunch of Minions on everyone, for that it can be naked technically because teh build has proven often enough that if I ever get a turn and the gods dont have a defense mechanism, they blow up.
just want to know how you use it in your build so I can put it aside in case I wanna build your team at some point

I'm still not quite sure this is what you're asking about because you seem to understand what consecrated ground is doing. The shambler is set up the way it is to prevent turn 1 annoyances (the 1 turn of silence prevents weird nukes).

The shambler is causing the enemies to have 50% chance of getting hit for blight damage twice every time one of them takes a turn. The consecrated ground is there to protect Friden, Shambler and Gargantuan from minions (like Muse, which you've mentioned).

TBH consecrated ground isn't really terribly important for the build against 99% of the game. It is there mostly because of the muse fight.

I've been working on a better setup (not specifically witch doctor) that is a universal loadout to ascend all specs (except the challenge specs) and ZZZ-mode through everything.

[m.j.gaines]

Here's something I threw together for Demonologist. I haven't built it or tested and it might not even work.

https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=faf5a1c99c92aa1b1ba132bff3ee8004d0441e24f6702f6a70b5bdfcc3e8098954541bc4d9529c128f488b0182f7628247b5bc711bb2&s=DM&a=TBOFAIFAOREANMN&r=__cr__ge

This is another very over-the-top build. This design is intended to work with Asskicker at level 100, but it can work without that if you make a minor change, which I'll explain later. At the start of battle, Asskicker will cast Infernal Charge on Ameteris Krin, causing it to Attack multiple times. The first time it attacks, it will cast its first equipped spellgem, which should be Unrighteous Fire.

Unrighteous Fire - Caster's Health is set to 1, and enemies take damage equal to 30% of the amount of Health removed.

Krin will cast Unrighteous Fire and its health will be reduced to 1, meaning that it now deals +495% damage (Reign of Pain) and ignores 99% of targets' Defense (Piercing Focus). Unrighteous Fire will be sealed after casting, Krin will attack again, and after attacking will cast Eagle Claws (an ethereal copy of Aeolian's Ultimate spell, gained via Pact of the Gods anointment).

Eagle Claws - Caster Attacks each enemy 2 times, and your creatures gain 10% Speed for each attack. This spell is an Ultimate spell.

Krin unleashes a fury of attacks and will usually reach the cap of 15 actions per turn. Note that because Krin is a Chaos creature, it gained Asmodeus at Start of Battle.

Asmodeus - When Asmodeus' master attacks, it always deals critical damage, cannot be dodged, and damages all other enemies for 50% less damage.

Thanks to Tacos Inflation, Touch of Red and Blitzkrieg, Krin's damage goes up exponentially with every attack. This build will end most fights on turn 0 without any input required from the player. If you don't have Asskicker at level 100 and still want to do something similar, just swap Ameteris Krin out for Mimic and Unstoppable Force for either Chrono Shift or Temporal Anomaly so you can manually cast Unrighteous Fire and then immediately cast Eagle Claws.

The reason I like this build for Demonologist is Renounce the Light.

Renounce the Light - Your creatures cannot gain buffs or minions that are unrelated to this specialization. This perk is always active while your specialization is Demonologist, even if you haven't allocated any Perk Points to it.

This might sound nit picky, but the reason I like this is because my Reign of Pain + Piercing Focus creature won't gain Leeching and start healing himself and dealing less damage. This isn't the first build I've centered around those two traits. The best spec for it is Purgatorian, because a dead creature has 0% current HP by definition, but only a Purgatorian still has full access to their Traits while dead.

[Mighty_Rathalos]

Originally posted by leqesai:

I'm still not quite sure this is what you're asking about because you seem to understand what consecrated ground is doing. The shambler is set up the way it is to prevent turn 1 annoyances (the 1 turn of silence prevents weird nukes).

The shambler is causing the enemies to have 50% chance of getting hit for blight damage twice every time one of them takes a turn. The consecrated ground is there to protect Friden, Shambler and Gargantuan from minions (like Muse, which you've mentioned).

TBH consecrated ground isn't really terribly important for the build against 99% of the game. It is there mostly because of the muse fight.

I've been working on a better setup (not specifically witch doctor) that is a universal loadout to ascend all specs (except the challenge specs) and ZZZ-mode through everything.

only thing I asked is what artifact you use on the shambler. as from what I understand of the Witch Doctor, youur own stats dont matter for the defeating of your enemies, you make them hurt each other so I was unsure if I still use staffs for the spell slot or just Helmets/shields to make the team survive more.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Mighty_Rathalos:

Originally posted by leqesai:

I'm still not quite sure this is what you're asking about because you seem to understand what consecrated ground is doing. The shambler is set up the way it is to prevent turn 1 annoyances (the 1 turn of silence prevents weird nukes).

The shambler is causing the enemies to have 50% chance of getting hit for blight damage twice every time one of them takes a turn. The consecrated ground is there to protect Friden, Shambler and Gargantuan from minions (like Muse, which you've mentioned).

TBH consecrated ground isn't really terribly important for the build against 99% of the game. It is there mostly because of the muse fight.

I've been working on a better setup (not specifically witch doctor) that is a universal loadout to ascend all specs (except the challenge specs) and ZZZ-mode through everything.

only thing I asked is what artifact you use on the shambler. as from what I understand of the Witch Doctor, youur own stats dont matter for the defeating of your enemies, you make them hurt each other so I was unsure if I still use staffs for the spell slot or just Helmets/shields to make the team survive more.

Ohhh. I see what you're saying here. I don't think it matters too much for Witch Doctor because, like you said, the enemies are doing most of the work themselves. I'd typically go with either sword or staff because the build isn't really focused on defending/provoking. Speed is kind of counter-productive as well because you want enemies taking turns (them going first makes most fights end immediately).

So yeah, either a sword or a shield. Doesn't really matter too much though.

[Mighty_Rathalos]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Ohhh. I see what you're saying here. I don't think it matters too much for Witch Doctor because, like you said, the enemies are doing most of the work themselves. I'd typically go with either sword or staff because the build isn't really focused on defending/provoking. Speed is kind of counter-productive as well because you want enemies taking turns (them going first makes most fights end immediately).

So yeah, either a sword or a shield. Doesn't really matter too much though.

thank you, Ill go with the shield then if it isnt relevant for your build either then, this way I should be able to squeeze it in on any of my future teams as well should Iever want to ascend more classes.

[Cannen]

Originally posted by m.j.gaines:

Here's a ridiculously over-the-top Fermented Hops Brewmaster build:

https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=672c0dc99c92aa1b1b6589c753084fb3e620f079b5d85b9604d044128f48d9529c8b0182a132bff3ee808daa18f7628247b5bc711bb2&s=BR&a=TBOSBMINJDOOCLC&r=_al___ge

This build is designed to kill most things on turn 0 while being VERY hard to kill. The damage it deals also scales with the target's HP, so comparative level becomes pretty much meaningless. You can turn the difficulty all the way up and this build will be just as fast and safe.

On turn 0, Elqor Provokes and triggers a barrage of Fermented Hops spells. You're going to want to equip him with only Fermented Hops for this to work consistently. You will also want to equip the Laughing Wisp with nothing but various Resurrection Spells. The point of Supersonic is to prevent things like Salamanders and Vulpes from slowing you down in normal battles, and Righteous Concession is a countermeasure against Supersonic.

Some of the stuff in here is definitely overkill, so you can play with it to suit your preferences. I guarantee you will blast your way through instability 5 diff 9 with this.

I know it's been a hot minute but do you remember which artifacts used on this build and which stats to stack with them?