Trait Launch Thread

[Persona non grata]

I wanna hear/see what your weirdest, most creative trait launches are. I mean it.

I've become absolutely infatuated with the idea of sabotaging the other team with GOOD traits, and I demand to see what sort of nefarious plots you've pulled with the seemingly most gracious of gifts from either Improbable Catapult or Spirit Bond.

Things I'm unfortunately not super interested in, are traits that have obvious down-sides to them, (Revenant Dagon, Thylacine, Waspid Soldier, the whole Forsaken, Cerberus, or Fae Race, etc.) or ones that are moot points (any start-of-battle effects, your creatures of a certain race get X effects, etc.)

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If you want to try some out, all you gotta do is the following:
1. Get either "Trait Launcher" the Trait Material, or "Spirit Bond" the Spell, and either Socket the trait onto a creature with an innate trait you want to launch, or Equip the spell gem onto a creature with an innate trait you want to launch.
2. (optional) You'll probably want to get a Mimic, the anointment "Ascendant" from Astrologer, or any other means of 'starts at the top of the order' effect, so that you can quickly control the next step:
3. Have your creature with the Artifact or spell take a turn with the artifact or cast the spell on a target enemy.
and boom! They're cursed with whatever that creature's Innate Trait is!

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[Persona non grata]

This is one I got working just a day ago. Despite it not being optimized, it can split between either spell damage or indirect damage, or just do a heapin' hunk'a both. :)

https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=1e42ee09aa33325921f6584c04d044c2e2fae0517080b50c8bb3d63d5a8ea24b1bb26f8bf762824b19f6325921b1f8938f2f57404c04&s=GB&a=ASAINMWAKSOICAM&r=______

Not shown here; It uses spells like Luck of the Draw, Implosion, Debilitating Blast/Shock, and Archangel's Blessing. Etc. Emlai has a Helmet with nothing but Health on it to ensure he's the one effected by Ascension, and an extra spell gem of Spirit Bond, just in case. The Dragon Queen, also, has boots with +3 spell gems on the trick slots and a +2 spell gems on the nether stone, with all green spell gems to maximize on her trait.

[blizzcarsten]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1289810/discussions/0/3189112650412681880/

[Persona non grata]

Originally posted by blizzcarsten:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1289810/discussions/0/3189112650412681880/

Yeah, that's the thing. It's got a clear and obvious downside. Like I said; just toss Waspid soldier on each enemy, curse them, and cast Flood of Darkness.

Gimme something new! lol

Edit: In Siralim 3, I used to actually have a team for "Copy Traits" realms that was specifically this, + Sarea's command. So they'd immediately explode on themselves without me having to touch a thing. :O

[blizzcarsten]

Originally posted by Persona non grata:

Originally posted by blizzcarsten:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1289810/discussions/0/3189112650412681880/

Yeah, that's the thing. It's got a clear and obvious downside. Like I said; just toss Waspid soldier on each enemy, curse them, and cast Flood of Darkness.

Gimme something new! lol

But that is boring, insulting enemies so much the commit suicide is hilarious instead. Just imagine you also take torun with you and he needs to watch how a mere mortal beats him in cursing xD.
It's all about fun :D

[Persona non grata]

Originally posted by blizzcarsten:

Originally posted by Persona non grata:

Yeah, that's the thing. It's got a clear and obvious downside. Like I said; just toss Waspid soldier on each enemy, curse them, and cast Flood of Darkness.

Gimme something new! lol

But that is boring, insulting enemies so much the commit suicide is hilarious instead. Just imagine you also take torun with you and he needs to watch how a mere mortal beats him in cursing xD.
It's all about fun :D

Fair enough. If ONLY because I know people have complained about being provoke-killed before, so it's nice to see the tables turned. :P

Not sure how it happens. I've played and ascended purgatorian, and I've never lost to being force-provoked to death. :\

[HeraldOfOpera]

Remember: trait-sharing happens before race-changing. Outcast No Longer and We Are Pack should not be enabling Master of Smiths, and we already had one case where such a bug made it through multiple major updates because nobody was willing to report the bug they were abusing.

EDIT: Apparently there was a previous topic that was deleted and the offending passage doesn't exist in this one. More relevant is that instant death doesn't work on anything you're intended to have difficulty with even when it's attached to "their" traits. This was famously an issue with the Loid fight.

[Persona non grata]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Remember: trait-sharing happens before race-changing. Outcast No Longer and We Are Pack should not be enabling Master of Smiths, and we already had one case where such a bug made it through multiple major updates because nobody was willing to report the bug they were abusing.

EDIT: Apparently there was a previous topic that was deleted and the offending passage doesn't exist in this one. More relevant is that instant death doesn't work on anything you're intended to have difficulty with even when it's attached to "their" traits. This was famously an issue with the Loid fight.

Yeah man. I deleted the thread because you were right and I didn't want to give people hope.
Also, we're aware of no insta-kills in boss fights.

Now share a fun trait-launch you did.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Persona non grata:

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Remember: trait-sharing happens before race-changing. Outcast No Longer and We Are Pack should not be enabling Master of Smiths, and we already had one case where such a bug made it through multiple major updates because nobody was willing to report the bug they were abusing.

EDIT: Apparently there was a previous topic that was deleted and the offending passage doesn't exist in this one. More relevant is that instant death doesn't work on anything you're intended to have difficulty with even when it's attached to "their" traits. This was famously an issue with the Loid fight.

Yeah man. I deleted the thread because you were right and I didn't want to give people hope.
Also, we're aware of no insta-kills in boss fights.

Now share a fun trait-launch you did. :mumu:

What about the fun trait-launch you did in that other topic, tossing a Wyvern at them to duplicate Perdition's Ulitmate spell only to then pull the rug out from under them with Dreamshade things? Lots of other funny brutality you can pull with your opponent having dozens of death triggers...

[leqesai]

Persona and I have already discussed this at length but one of my personal favorite trait launch combos is the Thylacine launch to reduce enemy damage by 95%.

There are lots of things you can do with this. You can auto kill Thylacine on your team so you don't suffer the reduced damage, pair Thylacine with various godspawn combinations and a second thylacine to result in huge numbers of attacks/spellcasts. It is really fun.

Another great trait launch combo is https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=612172_c2e2fa4a40c1_8ca767____________&a=BMMSBM&r=_jt____

Enemies have Blight so the 200% healing from the reaper is a big boom to the whole enemy squad.
Mimic with Darkness Surrounding and Sacrifice ensures you are able to provoke turn 1 which triggers Hanti+Janti's ability to force enemies to attack the provoker. The mimic should have 35% health on its turn so it should trigger the reaper effect.

Edit: If Darkness Surrounding doesn't work there's always Boss Power to add 50% max health which should, in theory, set all your creatures to 25% health at the start of battle. I haven't tested this though so I'm not 100% sure if it works.

[Persona non grata]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by Persona non grata:

Yeah man. I deleted the thread because you were right and I didn't want to give people hope.
Also, we're aware of no insta-kills in boss fights.

Now share a fun trait-launch you did.

What about the fun trait-launch you did in that other topic, tossing a Wyvern at them to duplicate Perdition's Ulitmate spell only to then pull the rug out from under them with Dreamshade things? Lots of other funny brutality you can pull with your opponent having dozens of death triggers...

I was trying to trickle mine in. I have like... 4 or 5 that I actively use, and a bunch on-blast that I still need to build. lol

Wyvern Windrider casting Spirit Bond for Dreamshade:
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=9a74efeee546112fafc9d7f0c5a7cabb0a4b4b19f6b210c86589c7facc7853084f1183f0de802aa26458cdda4dead8500aebdf4c318a&s=DS&a=CAFCAMSPGWRKWRF&r=______

Originally posted by leqesai:

Persona and I have already discussed this at length but one of my personal favorite trait launch combos is the Thylacine launch to reduce enemy damage by 95%.

There are lots of things you can do with this. You can auto kill Thylacine on your team so you don't suffer the reduced damage, pair Thylacine with various godspawn combinations and a second thylacine to result in huge numbers of attacks/spellcasts. It is really fun.

It's a fair use; Maybe I think it's overdone just because we HAVE talked it into the ground. lol

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Persona non grata:

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

What about the fun trait-launch you did in that other topic, tossing a Wyvern at them to duplicate Perdition's Ulitmate spell only to then pull the rug out from under them with Dreamshade things? Lots of other funny brutality you can pull with your opponent having dozens of death triggers...

I was trying to trickle mine in. I have like... 4 or 5 that I actively use, and a bunch on-blast that I still need to build. :friden: lol

Wyvern Windrider casting Spirit Bond for Dreamshade:
https://berated-bert.github.io/siralim-planner/?b=9a74efeee546112fafc9d7f0c5a7cabb0a4b4b19f6b210c86589c7facc7853084f1183f0de802aa26458cdda4dead8500aebdf4c318a&s=DS&a=CAFCAMSPGWRKWRF&r=______

Originally posted by leqesai:

Persona and I have already discussed this at length but one of my personal favorite trait launch combos is the Thylacine launch to reduce enemy damage by 95%.

There are lots of things you can do with this. You can auto kill Thylacine on your team so you don't suffer the reduced damage, pair Thylacine with various godspawn combinations and a second thylacine to result in huge numbers of attacks/spellcasts. It is really fun.

It's a fair use; Maybe I think it's overdone just because we HAVE talked it into the ground. lol

Yeah it may be overdone between us but I'm not sure just how popular it is.. I don't think I've seen a single build on the forums using Thylacine let alone trait launching it.

[Damon]

Idk why so many think launch is that great. I hope someone will find 1 super killer combo lol.

[leqesai]

Originally posted by Damon:

Idk why so many think launch is that great. I hope someone will find 1 super killer combo lol.

It isn't that it is great. It is that it is fun.

Most of us who are in the endgame have plenty of super powerful builds. Trying to make things work with unconventional methodologies is fun.

[Persona non grata]

Originally posted by Damon:

Idk why so many think launch is that great. I hope someone will find 1 super killer combo lol.

I mean, if you want a super killer combo, try a Utopia build, but they do it to themselves~

[Damon]

Originally posted by leqesai:

Originally posted by Damon:

Idk why so many think launch is that great. I hope someone will find 1 super killer combo lol.

It isn't that it is great. It is that it is fun.

Most of us who are in the endgame have plenty of super powerful builds. Trying to make things work with unconventional methodologies is fun.

I see. Yeah I guess it can be fun trying to figure out unconventional builds. Just that it probably can't be extremely powerful but you never know... It also has been nerfed a while ago.