Lore: Upcoming War?

[RandomTurtle]

Spoiler Warning for if you haven't completed the game, including the Examtaker chapter.

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It is hinted that the storyline of Examtaker takes place after the secret ending. The "Aybsstaker" ending as it were. In this the Helltaker enters a one way banishment portal to where Beelzebub in the void. Beelzebub wants to return to the normal realms and get revenge on Lucy for (Possibly) defeating her in the last war and banishing her to the abyss. She swears she will get out one day and this may be more than empty threats.

Over time Azazel became Loremaster the Science Demon. From there she conquered hell and has started her own experiments there. She has created the first successful hybrid demon. These demons resemble Helltaker and might be partially derived from him.

That is where we are at, however what if something bigger in on the horizon. Loremaster will perhaps try to generate an army of these hybrid demon. These hybrid demons would further solidify her power in hell. She works closely with Lucy, who wishes to betray and overthrow her and take back the crown of hell. Lucy although unable to do much against Azazel, knows the workings of her operations to a good extend.

Lucy is also very advanced in manipulation. She will likely be able to sway the Loremasters, earlier "less stable" subjects to her side to build up her own power in this conflict, as well as probably having the backing of the OG demons (if they still are alive and didn't die when Azazel took over)

The abyss is a realm of darkness however it is possible to escape. For both the individuals trapped in it both have unique powers. Beelzebub has made an entire castle from the fabric of darkness. Therefore Beelzebub could create objects made from darkness. Helltaker can preform banishment ritual steps, like the one on the fabric rug in his house. Therefore in theory it would be possible to escape if Beelzebub could create the correct ritual site and Helltaker could preform the correct ritual steps.

So what happens if we re-introduce helltaker and Beelzebub into a world where Azazel the Loremaster has taken over and subjugated hell and is growing in power as she creates more Hybrid demons.

To me it feels like there could be quite the story to tell there. Three demons all determined to be the Queen of Hell.

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Interestingly two game mechanics I've seen in other games of this style that would fit into levels in a lore friendly way.

Dark levels - Some games like this have levels where you see the layout at the start and when you move everything is dark and you have to execute the plan from memory. This would fit into the Abyss area where Beelzebub and Helltaker need to leave as the Abyss is the void.

Enemy Characters that move when you do - Some games like this have enemy characters that move inverse to you when you move and if you meet them you die. Normally this involves killing off or trapping the enemies to progress. This would fit in where Hybrid Demons from Examtaker could move in the opposite direction to Helltaker in either: Horizontal, Vertical, Both or Neither directions.

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The above is just a thought experiment, I am by no means saying the game needs those kind of levels, mechanics or lore in there. This thread is mainly thinking out loud about what I think upcoming gameplay could be if anything else does come out. What do you think?

Do you think there could be a war where Helltaker frees Beelzebub?
Do you think dark levels and multi-character control would be mechanics you'd enjoy playing with?
Out of Loremaster, Lucy and Beelzebub, who would you want to see emerge victorious and claim their title as Queen of Hell?

Post your thoughts below.

[Moo]

If Beel and Helltaker actually ever had the ability to escape through ritual they would have done so WAY before the timeline loremaster takes place in (Helltaker seems to be going through amnesia in the Beel ending). It would be unlikely they would ever leave without a third party.

If they did manage to escape though, I can certainly see Beel taking the opportunity and start a war to conquer hell. I doubt Helltaker himself could be of any use however.

[RandomTurtle]

Originally posted by Uberc0nductor:

If Beel and Helltaker actually ever had the ability to escape through ritual they would have done so WAY before the timeline loremaster takes place in (Helltaker seems to be going through amnesia in the Beel ending). It would be unlikely they would ever leave without a third party.

That said, "The Steps" to open the portal in the first place were not random but laid out by some ancient tablets. So "The New Steps" would also be unknown if they exist. Nothing suggests that they'd be able to find the information they require in the abyss so perhaps a third parties help is required.

Azazel investigating demons would surely at some point come across banishing. Perhaps the plates were analysed. It could be possible that the Loremaster already found a way to open a reverse or two-way portal. However Lucy being her high ranking maid assistant made a very strong case against opening the portal. It could be possible that a method already exists but isn't used. Until it gets stolen and used, by who though, I wouldn't be able to tell, perhaps Zdrada but only because her name is "Betrayal".

As for Helltaker, who knows what effects the Abyss has had on him. Many mental and physical changes could happen over the time he's in there.

[Moo]

Originally posted by randomturtle01:

Originally posted by Uberc0nductor:

If Beel and Helltaker actually ever had the ability to escape through ritual they would have done so WAY before the timeline loremaster takes place in (Helltaker seems to be going through amnesia in the Beel ending). It would be unlikely they would ever leave without a third party.

As for Helltaker, who knows what effects the Abyss has had on him. Many mental and physical changes could happen over the time he's in there.

If I had to guess he would be a shell of his former self (contrary to a lot of fanarts that show him to be better than ever), since it is implied hes forgotten who he originally was in the Beel ending, So I would think he would be a lot weaker physically, (no more boulder kicking ability) as having such a powerful physical body would require a lot of food resources and dedicated training.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

A lot of good points but I'd wager that Lucifer will retake hell with Subject 67's help in the next installment then Azazel will release the Helltaker/Beelzebub in order to retake hell... maybe this would be Hell-taker 2 plot?

I wouldn't mind paying for the full game. I'd also hope it goes back to the original difficulty scaling.