many strange reviews

[lar unuruur]

it is hard to understand many so positive reviews.
i just do not see enough qualities for that.
combat looks nice. it is pretty.
unfortunately, that is pretty much all i can say positive.
writing is just childish. it is like 7-9 years old mind. dark fantasy...
and what is the reason, why player can not create he`s own character?
protagonist is as generic as it possibly could be. there is no character specific anything. in witcher it was gerald, it was HE. it WAS character. in this game there is no character.
and what there is, it really, very badly smells for wokeness bs.
combat is nearly brainless.
combat has good ideas, it was made obviously with tactic in mind. but AI is as stupid as it gets. those "support" units of enemy often start to mindlessly running around when they should give support to frontline units. sometimes they do, but in my game 50% it is bs not support.
enemy ai runs into any tactical trap player lay for them(not that it is needed).

not finished game. most battles end with one button click. i played hours and still can not choose class! why? i will be able to choose class by the time half or even more game will be over? because at rate which enemy surrenders, i believe very soon EACH battle will be over at the beggining. i would not need "class" anymore.

and that writing... first zone i played was empire/rebels. how... i wonder, these woke people have read one good book in their life? ever? or writing in so many games is this bad, because they grew up on comic trash culture? how can writer present good protagonist and enemies so bad. evil or good without any motivation. just because writer needs them. it is really hard to understand, how adult man can put so idiotic words in mouth of their creation, bad or good.
chat between protagonist and that sub rogue guy is like they are schoolchildren let out for a moment into adult life.

why create rpg, when writers are so bad? have they see even not good books, have they played mass effect, witcher or other games with good writing, believable characters?

i do not understand good reviews on this game.

game should be priced around 10 usd. not a dime more.

[Cypeq]

Following your logic and comparisons, any game that does not beat or compete with best games ever made deserves a negative review, because it's not as good.
I dont understand why an 'ok' game should earn a lot of negative reviews.
Reviews are so positive because game does well enough on all fronts without glaring issues.

I read through some negative reviews and they are completely brainless 9/10 times.
Your opinion has plenty of flaws but at least I can agree with some points.
AI isn't great, whole early game chunk is piss easy, and writing can be weak.

It's hard to take you seriously when It takes just few hours of game time to unlock classes, You didn't spend much time with the game... They are more powerful then mercenary hence made available little later so you can spend some time with allrounder learn what works for you and get a grasp of the skill trees. It's a power up so it should come after some time, don't you think?

Your blind hate towards female protagonist is something you should think about for yourself. Her strong woman persona isn't overdone... you get really three different characters there if you feel like role-playing consistently dialogue choices.
I think the sinister Avy has the most flavour as a character.

[236403mo]

I'm not a fan of woke things either but in this particular game it's not the case - or not too terrible.

The protagonist is a bit bland and maybe not suitable for Disciples game mentality (too little melancholy and longing, too much strength and decisiveness), also has a lot of Mary Sue in her (it's quite hard to piss off companions - they always try to find excuse for her bad behavior and it's very easy to romance them all by just saying one sentence with a heart as if she had 20+ charisma in D&D) but woke? No, not really. She feels like some sort of viking warrior woman type which isn't terrible kind of persona given she's a mercenary.

[kirill-busidow]

Originally posted by lar unuruur:

it is hard to understand many so positive reviews.
i just do not see enough qualities for that.
combat looks nice. it is pretty.
unfortunately, that is pretty much all i can say positive.
writing is just childish. it is like 7-9 years old mind. dark fantasy...
and what is the reason, why player can not create he`s own character?
protagonist is as generic as it possibly could be. there is no character specific anything. in witcher it was gerald, it was HE. it WAS character. in this game there is no character.
and what there is, it really, very badly smells for wokeness bs.
combat is nearly brainless.
combat has good ideas, it was made obviously with tactic in mind. but AI is as stupid as it gets. those "support" units of enemy often start to mindlessly running around when they should give support to frontline units. sometimes they do, but in my game 50% it is bs not support.
enemy ai runs into any tactical trap player lay for them(not that it is needed).

not finished game. most battles end with one button click. i played hours and still can not choose class! why? i will be able to choose class by the time half or even more game will be over? because at rate which enemy surrenders, i believe very soon EACH battle will be over at the beggining. i would not need "class" anymore.

and that writing... first zone i played was empire/rebels. how... i wonder, these woke people have read one good book in their life? ever? or writing in so many games is this bad, because they grew up on comic trash culture? how can writer present good protagonist and enemies so bad. evil or good without any motivation. just because writer needs them. it is really hard to understand, how adult man can put so idiotic words in mouth of their creation, bad or good.
chat between protagonist and that sub rogue guy is like they are schoolchildren let out for a moment into adult life.

why create rpg, when writers are so bad? have they see even not good books, have they played mass effect, witcher or other games with good writing, believable characters?

i do not understand good reviews on this game.

game should be priced around 10 usd. not a dime more.

Most of us do not understand this.

Probably because of Steam policy, people who refunded game after trying can not write review.

So people start game, see how Very Easy difficulty is only option for it and just refund it.

Those who stay (some do not know that they can hire units, so they start zones with 2 heroes instead of 2 heroes + 6 units) write that difficulty is ok. And add that they hate losing battle, which never happens in this game. You auto-win most of fights, literally ("Conquest").

[Cypeq]

Originally posted by 236403mo:

I'm not a fan of woke things either but in this particular game it's not that terrible.

The protagonist is a bit bland and maybe not suitable for Disciples game mentality (too little melancholy and longing, too much strength and decisiveness), also has a lot of Mary Sue in her (it's quite hard to piss off companions - they always try to find excuse for her bad behavior and it's very easy to romance them all by just saying once sentence with a heart as if she had 20+ charisma in D&D) but woke? No, not really. She feels like some sort of viking warrior woman type which isn't terrible kind of persona given she's a mercenary.

Well said, not a fan of that either, but woke haters aren't better then the other side, any female with a bit of charisma is a woke marry sue for them.
It's sad to see how they are just like a passenger on a wrong bus not really understanding where are they going.

[236403mo]

What I meant is she isn't really woke but she does dabble dangerously in Mary Sue things with people being just too forgiving for her and too easily following her. Still thats not that terrible in itself and would do okay in other games.

Worse for me is that she doesn't seem like a sad person and Disciples was special because of the sadness in just about every major character (sadness in many spectrums such as missing old days, feeling their cause is hopeless, feeling sorry for others suffering, feeling sorry for deaths they caused or simply going on killing spree due to lack of other ideas and traumatic experiences)

[UnholyDentist]

All games come with flaws, some with less than others, also what's good or bad is subjective from one person to another.

There are flaws in this game for sure, but I enjoy, and whilst I could only invest about 20 hours into it so far, I could imagine to play it for 100 or more. So in my opinion, it deserves a positive feedback.

[redwitch]

Originally posted by UnholyDentist:

All games come with flaws, some with less than others, also what's good or bad is subjective from one person to another.

There are flaws in this game for sure, but I enjoy, and whilst I could only invest about 20 hours into it so far, I could imagine to play it for 100 or more. So in my opinion, it deserves a positive feedback.

yeah... people with different opinions are strange :-)

[236403mo]

Yes, I agree that this game deserves positive review. It's got good gameplay and story is bearable. It might not be the Disciples sequel we all wished for but still it is good that they revived the franchise and made a good try.

[Jacks]

I quite enjoy this game after the mess of King Bounty 2, it helped scratch that itch. D3 already killed off most of the fanbase, they are likely just moving in a new direction, the remaining fanbase won't appreciate how this game is more morally grey rather than full on dark fantasy.

[FhqwhTODD]

Originally posted by lar unuruur:

i do not understand good reviews on this game.

That's okay. I do.

[lar unuruur]

will not answer to everyone, but here is a problem.
people in comments admit:
1. combat is weak(flawed);
2. writing is weak;
yet same people say, they like game.
why?

two core characterics needed for just fine rpg. both not good enough.
that is why it is strange.
can combat be fixed by patching? it is possible.
can writing be fixed by patching? i do not think so.

so on what premises rate this game as good, i have a hard time to understand.

as for protagonist. my main point is, there is no any script REASON main character gender can not be decided by the player. granted, i have not finished game. and most probably will not. yet so far, there is not a single stroke in game script, that means protagonist MUST be female. that is why i say its badly smells for wokeness bs.
i play many characters over tes or fallout games. men and women. great!

and on subject on woke bs...
can not you see how desperately woke devs avoid to portrait strong, moral men anymore?
i all latest games i saw or tried, it was hard to even come by strong, moral men as a companion. oh, what a coincidence...

ok, i said all i wanted. cheers to all.

[236403mo]

as for protagonist. my main point is, there is no any script REASON main character gender can not be decided by the player. granted, i have not finished game. and most probably will not. yet so far, there is not a single stroke in game script, that means protagonist MUST be female. that is why i say its badly smells for wokeness bs.
i play many characters over tes or fallout games. men and women. great!

and on subject on woke bs...
can not you see how desperately woke devs avoid to portrait strong, moral men anymore?
i all latest games i saw or tried, it was hard to even come by strong, moral men as a companion. oh, what a coincidence...

1) No in story point for female - agreed so far. I suppose it's budget and simply a design choice. Same as we get forced to play a man in something like Jedi Fallen Order. No real reason outside of design choice.

2) No moral strong man in games lately. I don't know. Maybe? It's a bit complicated. A lot of games has character creation and they leave that role to the player if he wishes to. This kind of character is usually considered boring or generic. More - the main character in Disciples Liberation isn't exactly moral, nor any of her companions. When I look at for example Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous some of the best and most liked characters are male although not really moral types.

Other than that.
Combat is fun despite flaws. The story is okay. It lost a lot of Disciples dark fantasy feel but there is some of it still left. It's obviously not as colorful as say Heroes of Might and Magic title. Some are happy to play a Disciples title again with hopes for next title to have much better writing, soundtrack and some improvements to gameplay. The game doesn't cost as much as AAA titles. Thats why it deserves something like 7/10 or 8/10. Not 10/10 but it's not 2/10 either

[kirill-busidow]

Originally posted by redwitch:

Originally posted by UnholyDentist:

All games come with flaws, some with less than others, also what's good or bad is subjective from one person to another.

There are flaws in this game for sure, but I enjoy, and whilst I could only invest about 20 hours into it so far, I could imagine to play it for 100 or more. So in my opinion, it deserves a positive feedback.

yeah... people with different opinions are strange :-)

No, people who lack logic, are strange.

This is combat game, but it is so easy that combat do not matter. This is Story-mode game.

I am ok with making game uber-easy. Developer decision, they know better. It is their product. I am ok with casuals like game where they cant lose and always win (losing battle due to bad decisions is no-no for some, ok).

But why make so many spells/units/mechanics, if they do not matter at all? What is logic behind this?

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

People who complain that something like this is "too woke", are the new woke.

[kirill-busidow]

Originally posted by Mitth'raw'nuruodo:

People who complain that something like this is "too woke", are the new woke.

We do not complain about woke. Or sodomy or other perversions.
None cares about this _specific_ game promoting sodomy, because all modern games do this.

Problem is that this game is too easy.