[Solved] Advanced Classes ?

[Schutzengel]

Hello all,

Id like to know when the Advanced Classes are unlocked and what Abilities they get compared to their Base Class pendant. Since Stat Gains / Level are based on the chosen Class, Id rather not change the Class late game and have it become useless because of the Stats I gained were bad for it.

I have access to the 1st Class selection screen and if possible, can someone elaborate on:
- when the Advanced Classes are chosen,
- what Abilities they get and
-what Stats Gain / Level they have.

Sincerely.

[i2lazy]

im not sure if it goes by level, or how far you get into the story line but i believe at about level15? or 20? cant remember which. then at some point you can advance to a class even further than what im going to show you

[i2lazy]

https://prnt.sc/1x8sap1
seeres and witch are ranged, hexblade and warrior are melee. your stats are refunded for free when they make you choose and are able to change your stats/class at any given moment for the 1k gold

[Blastom]

You mean the basic class has a better stats growth than the advanced one? I thin k the white stats in advance class choose screen should be the stats for the basic one.

You could see the stats growth when choosing them, but the skill tree's the same, except some of them locked by class.

[i2lazy]

i literally just unlocked the advance class, 5 minutes i assume this is what he was talking about. to avoid spoilers im just going to say advance through the story line, it happened at atellean for me

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by i2lazy:

https://prnt.sc/1x8sap1
seeres and witch are ranged, hexblade and warrior are melee. your stats are refunded for free when they make you choose and are able to change your stats/class at any given moment for the 1k gold

These are the Base Classes that you unlock when visiting the 3rd map, whatever map you visit as 3rd unlocks the choice. Mercenary is the starting Class, not a Base Class. I was talking about the Advanced Classes:
- Dawnlord (upgrade to Warlord)
- Nightblade (upgrade to Hexblade)
- Twilight Seeress (upgrade to Seeress)
- Dusk Witch (upgrade to Witch)

You can see them being mentioned in the upper Tier Skill Tree unlocks.

And no, your Stats Growth stays with whatever Base Class you choose when first unlocking Base Classes and only starts on the Level where this choice is made.

For Instance:
Level 2-9 Mercenary = 8x +1 to all Stats
Level 10-39 (?) Witch = 30x +1 to Str/Con, +2 to Int/Dex, +3 to Mana

So if Im Level 40 or so and decide to pick Dawnlord instead of Dusk Witch because the Dawnlord Abilities are cooler, than while I can switch to that Class freely, my Witch Stat Gains would cripple me in usefulness when making this choice.

This assumes you can get the Advanced Classes at Level 40. If you get them at Level 60 or later, all the Levels of wrong Stat Gains will make the problem even more severe.

I want to plan ahead and like to know ...
- when the Advanced Classes are chosen,
- what Abilities they get, and
- what Stats Gain / Level they have.

Here is what the Stats do:

Strength
+ Power (Warlord & Hexblade Classes Only)
+ Physical Resistance
+ Divine Resistance

Dexterity
+ Critical Chance
+ Initiative

Constitution
+ HP
+ Unholy Resistance

Intelligence
+ Power (non-Warlord Classes Only)
+ Mana
+ Primal Resistance

When switching to Dawnlord from Witch, all the Intelligence Gains in the Levels between the Class Choice are completely worthless and I will be lacking in Power, especially since Power is multiplied by several Skills.

The opposite is true as well, a Warlord switching to Dusk Witch will be crippled in Power as Strength will not contribue to a Dusk Witch's Power while his measly Intelligence will be the coffin nail,

[OwO]

Originally posted by Schutzengel:

Originally posted by i2lazy:

https://prnt.sc/1x8sap1
seeres and witch are ranged, hexblade and warrior are melee. your stats are refunded for free when they make you choose and are able to change your stats/class at any given moment for the 1k gold

These are the Base Classes that you unlock when visiting the 3rd map, whatever map you visit as 3rd unlocks the choice. Mercenary is the starting Class, not a Base Class. I was talking about the Advanced Classes:
- Dawnlord (upgrade to Warlord)
- Nightblade (upgrade to Hexblade)
- Twilight Seeress (upgrade to Seeress)
- Dusk Witch (upgrade to Witch)

You can see them being mentioned in the upper Tier Skill Tree unlocks.

And no, your Stats Growth stays with whatever Base Class you choose when first unlocking Base Classes and only starts on the Level where this choice is made.

For Instance:
Level 2-9 Mercenary = 8x +1 to all Stats
Level 10-19 (?) Witch = 10x +1 to Str/Con, +2 to Int/Dex, +3 to Mana

So if Im Level 20 or so and decide to pick Dawnlord instead of Dusk Witch because the Dawnlord Abilities are cooler, than while I can switch to that Class freely, my Witch Stat Gains would cripple me in usefulness when making this choice.

This assumes you can get the Advanced Classes at Level 20. If you get them at Level 40 or later, all the Levels of wrong Stat Gains will make the problem even more severe.

I want to plan ahead and like to know ...
- when the Advanced Classes are chosen,
- what Abilities they get, and
- what Stats Gain / Level they have.

I'm level 40 and still haven't been able to get them :/

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by Ongo:

Originally posted by Schutzengel:

These are the Base Classes that you unlock when visiting the 3rd map, whatever map you visit as 3rd unlocks the choice. Mercenary is the starting Class, not a Base Class. I was talking about the Advanced Classes:
- Dawnlord (upgrade to Warlord)
- Nightblade (upgrade to Hexblade)
- Twilight Seeress (upgrade to Seeress)
- Dusk Witch (upgrade to Witch)

You can see them being mentioned in the upper Tier Skill Tree unlocks.

And no, your Stats Growth stays with whatever Base Class you choose when first unlocking Base Classes and only starts on the Level where this choice is made.

For Instance:
Level 2-9 Mercenary = 8x +1 to all Stats
Level 10-19 (?) Witch = 10x +1 to Str/Con, +2 to Int/Dex, +3 to Mana

So if Im Level 20 or so and decide to pick Dawnlord instead of Dusk Witch because the Dawnlord Abilities are cooler, than while I can switch to that Class freely, my Witch Stat Gains would cripple me in usefulness when making this choice.

This assumes you can get the Advanced Classes at Level 20. If you get them at Level 40 or later, all the Levels of wrong Stat Gains will make the problem even more severe.

I want to plan ahead and like to know ...
- when the Advanced Classes are chosen,
- what Abilities they get, and
- what Stats Gain / Level they have.

I'm level 40 and still haven't been able to get them :/

Thanks for this information. The proves that there is no full freedom of Class choice as Stat Gains are fixed and 40 Levels of wrong Stat Gains will make switching Classes limited to Classes that are close to each other:
- Warlord works with Hexblade but not with Seeress or Witch.
- Hexblade works with every other Class
- Seeress works with Witch and vice versa and they both work with Hexblade

[Cat]

That is not true at all, your level gains are calculated based on class, not what you previously gained. At level 80 I have 176 strength as a dusk witch but when respecing my stats and going dawnlord, I have over 300 strength. Meaning the game calculates your stats and corrects them when you respec based on your class and not when you leveled up, rather based on what level you currently are.


Level 80 Dawnlord, only using the base stat is 257 strength, 178 Dex, 336 Con and 178 Int.
Respec into Dusk witch and stats are now, 99 strength, 257 Dex, 178 Con and 257 Int.

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

That is not true at all, your level gains are calculated based on class, not what you previously gained. At level 80 I have 176 strength as a dusk witch but when respecing my stats and going dawnlord, I have over 300 base strength. Meaning the game calculates your stats and corrects them when you respec based on your class and not when you leveled up, rather based on what level you currently are.

I chose Witch at Level 9 and did NOT get the Stats gain for Witch for Levels 2-9. Perhaps you have equipped massive Strength boost gear after changing to Dawnlord which allows you to equip Strength boosing Swords opposed to Intelligence boosting Staffs after all.

I was talking about the base Stat Gains you get per Level in your current Class. These are fixed when leveling up. If you say you have over 300 Strength at Level 80 that means if I pick Witch after progressing 10 Levels of Mercenary Id have:
- 10x +1 Stength (Mercenary)
- 30x +1 Strength (Witch)
- 40x +1 Strength (Dusk Witch)

While I could have:
- 10x +1 Stength (Mercenary)
- 30x +2 Strength (Warlord)
- 40x +3 (?) Strength (Dawnlord)

Thats 100 less Base Strength from wrong Gains when leveling. Multiplied by Skills that improve Power this will severly cripple your Dawnlord when switching from a complete Witch based Path.

If you hover over your stats, you can see the Base Value and Bonuses from Gear. Stat Gains from Leveling are directly added to the Base Value.

Since you mentioned you have over 300 Strength, the Stat Gains from Leveling can mean a +100 difference (or more) in Stat which is very impactful, which I assumed is correct and the reason of this thread.

[Cat]

Avy's base stats at level 1 is 20 in all stats, Dusk witch is +79 strength since you can't get stats from level 0, meaning at 80 her stats are correct based on the stat gains the class would have given you from level 2 onwards.

Dawnlord is +3 STR per level, so 3x79 = 237+20 from base which makes it 257 which is exactly what I got at level 80 dawnlord with base stats only, my 300 stat was from gear on top, using only the base stats however, it adds up and changing class does NOT punish you in any way as the game recalculates your stats based on what it would be if you had that class from the start of the game.

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

Avy's base stats at level 1 is 20 in all stats, Dusk witch is +79 strength since you can't get stats from level 0, meaning at 80 her stats are correct based on the stat gains the class would have given you from level 2 onwards.

Can you please post a pic of the unmodified Stats so I can mark this thread as solved ?

[Cat]

You mean unmodified stats of all the classes? If so I'll post a breakdown here. Though I can only do it for the advanced classes as I no longer have access to the base ones.

Level 80 base stats for each class.
Dawnlord:
Strength 257
Dexterity 178
Constitution 336
Intelligence 178

Per level: +3 str, +4 con, +2 dex, +2 int, +2 mana

Nightblade:
Strength 257
Dexterity 257
Constitution 178
Intelligence 257

Per level: +3 str, +2 con, +3 dex, +3 int, +2 mana

Twilight Seeress:
Strength 99
Dexterity 178
Constitution 257
Intelligence 257

Per level: +1 str, +3 con, +2 dex, +3 int, +4 mana

Dusk Witch:
Strength 99
Dexterity 257
Constitution 170
Intelligence 257

Per level: +1 str, +2 con, +3 dex, +3 int, +4 mana

[Schutzengel]

Originally posted by Sunricer:

You mean unmodified stats of all the classes? If so I'll post a breakdown here. Though I can only do it for the advanced classes as I no longer have access to the base ones.

Level 80 base stats for each class.
Dawnlord:
Strength 257
Dexterity 178
Constitution 336
Intelligence 178

Per level: +3 str, +4 con, +2 dex, +2 int, +2 mana

Nightblade:
Strength 257
Dexterity 257
Constitution 178
Intelligence 257

Per level: +3 str, +2 con, +3 dex, +3 int, +2 mana

Twilight Seeress:
Strength 99
Dexterity 178
Constitution 257
Intelligence 257

Per level: +1 str, +3 con, +2 dex, +3 int, +4 mana

Dusk Witch:
Strength 99
Dexterity 257
Constitution 170
Intelligence 257

Per level: +1 str, +2 con, +3 dex, +3 int, +4 mana

Thank You for this information !

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

That question didn't get an obvious answer; When are we supposed to get advanced classes now? I'm 35 and haven't been given the opportunity to pick one.

[Cat]

New classes are given based on story progress, not level, so progress the main story until they unlock.