Please have a better antagonist.

[Yukiverse]

The calypso twins were literal children compared to Handsome Jack.

[Blackguard]

I kinda liked the evil streamer girl tho

Her brother was mega lame tbh

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

I thought that Borderland's 3 villains were fine. Indeed they're similar to Jack - charismatic sociopaths who value themselves far above everyone and everything else. Problem was pacing with a climatic death followed by 15% more general and sometimes silly sidequests before the second big battle.

S.x.

[kukuhimanpr]

i wouldn't call the twins charismatic. they feel like entitled cringey tiktokers getting too lucky with clout and money.
jack at least still had some little shred of humanity by trying to save angel and become corporate hero in his own twisted delusional way, so jack feels more like a tragic villain compared to the twins who had been cared so much by their parents yet throw it all away because chaotic stupid evil lulz worship syndrome.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Originally posted by kukuhimanpr:

i wouldn't call the twins charismatic. they feel like entitled cringey tiktokers getting too lucky with clout and money.
jack at least still had some little shred of humanity by trying to save angel and become corporate hero in his own twisted delusional way, so jack feels more like a tragic villain compared to the twins who had been cared so much by their parents yet throw it all away because chaotic stupid evil lulz worship syndrome.

Dad was one of the less appealing Borderlands creations. Since he is a priapic joke there's no real weight to the twins' fate.

S..

[Black Hole]

The twins dying meant nothing, nor them existing, I wouldn't even bother putting them in cannon.

[Troglodyte]

Originally posted by Blackguard:

I kinda liked the evil streamer girl tho

Her brother was mega lame tbh

troy actually got some development compared to tyreen she just sucked in every way

[kukuhimanpr]

yea but troy's interesting potential for character development got trashed anyway to turn him into generic power up fodder for tyreen, who in turn gets turned into yet another generic short lived alien vault monster loot pinata.

tyreen and troy are just annoying disposable villains that everyone want to quickly forget and move on (except for people who thirst after them)

[Dollop of Mayo]

The twins were pretty great as villains, and y'all are proof of it

Y'all clearly hate them, and that was the point.

[Kalgert]

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

The twins were pretty great as villains, and y'all are proof of it

Y'all clearly hate them, and that was the point.

There is a difference between "Hate because the character is that well portrayed" versus "Hate because the character just sucks".

This isn't a case like people hating Lil' Jeoffrey (Or whatever that Game of Thrones character's name was) because the character was that well portrayed and was a genuine evil little ♥♥♥♥. Instead, this is a case of people finding the characters so annoying that they don't like them being there at all.

Handsome Jack is a good villain because he is a good character. Can the same be said for the Twins?

[Dollop of Mayo]

Originally posted by Kalgert:

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

The twins were pretty great as villains, and y'all are proof of it

Y'all clearly hate them, and that was the point.

There is a difference between "Hate because the character is that well portrayed" versus "Hate because the character just sucks".

This isn't a case like people hating Lil' Jeoffrey (Or whatever that Game of Thrones character's name was) because the character was that well portrayed and was a genuine evil little ♥♥♥♥. Instead, this is a case of people finding the characters so annoying that they don't like them being there at all.

Handsome Jack is a good villain because he is a good character. Can the same be said for the Twins?

Yeah, the twins were good characters. They were modeled after the kind of obnoxious Tik-Tok/Youtube creators that care for nobody but themselves while pretending that their army of followers is their precious family while milking them for every last cent in the process. You know, the kind who are frequently discovered to be monsters?

You SHOULD find them annoying. That's the POINT. That's MY point. They were written to be what they are, just like Joffrey from GoT. Tyreen and Troy were both fantastically voice acted, and it's wild to say that Joffrey, who was written to be an entitled sociopath- and that's why you hated him- is any different from the entitled sociopaths that were the Twins?

Both abused their power, and the people who served them. Both were immature, petty, and evil. I have seen the parts of GoT with Joffrey present. I have played through BL3 many times. I find all 3 of them detestable, and relish in their deaths.

[Kalgert]

When one of the major suggestions to a game is to mute all dialogue, then you didn't make good characters, you made bad ones.

[Approximo]

It's hard for new villains to live up to Handsome Jack because many consider him to be one of the top villains of all franchises ever. I think it's definitely possible to write him back in again with body doubles in mind, or make a new villain (please be at the very least decent). It's going to be hard to not ruin anything without the original Borderlands writer in my opinion.

[Drazegod]

Handsome Jack revive and save borderlands

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Originally posted by Drazegod:

Handsome Jack revive and save borderlands :er_heart:

Err, no. He dead baby. Let's move on.

S.x.

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by Quinn:

Please have a better antagonist.

Seventh Siren will be the antagonist.