Guild Wars 2
RotherHans (Bloqueado) 19 NOV 2024 a las 2:35 p. m.
Honest Review of current "MAJOR" update, it's not.
To the average player this will be a mostly average and very short experience,
still bordering on frustrating while having to wait for the slowest bear ever to finally finish his monologue.

It's biggest feature is the new convergence, giving us a preview to the ACTUAL major update. The next map we'll await for 3 more months.

So temper your expectations, I guess.
Hopefully this way the devs managed to steal enough time crafting a better follow-up map, than in the last "expansion".
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Hefutoxin 20 NOV 2024 a las 3:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
I also liked the easy peasy Springer and glider, because I am not from the "grinding is good for your soul school", or whatever those people call themselves who are mad when things become easier to get.

The overwhelming majority of people don't understand that the value of something depends on what it takes to get it.

You liked the easy peasy Springer and glider, yet you don't value them at all:

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
300 gold is pretty brutal, especially when I'm not even close to the 250 I need for the griffon.

Getting back to the OP's point, this all does seem rather punitive to get a decent mount.

Maybe I should just wait for a future expansion where they hand out griffons to everyone.

Springer was amazing when it came out. It saved a large amount of time getting to poi, hero points, and navigating Heart of Thorns. The boost in mobility it provides is massive.

But you want a "decent mount" now. The irony is that the Griffon takes far more time to learn to use than it takes to unlock it. There's a reason you rarely see anyone on it.
Soul Reaver 20 NOV 2024 a las 4:38 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Uma Purpura:
Publicado originalmente por AngryPillow:
Aside from the raid/convergence, the whole "major update" can be done in under an hour. I'm not exaggerating, the story is stupid short. We got trickle-fed a few housing items, some relics I doubt many people at all will use, and more bugs.

I can't tell if 1) They are out of ideas, 2) most of the real talent doesn't work there anymore, or 3) Both.

I'm still enjoying the game for what it is, but I don't see it having much(if any) of a future at the rate it is going. You can see the cracks start to appear as far back as EOD, and everything about JW feels so half-baked.

I don't understand how people are even surprised at this point. For quite a while now it's been known that they're working on Guild Wars 3 since the end of EoD, and GW2 is just a side project now.
Getting less content is definitely better than getting none though.

Do you have sources behind the idea that they've been working on GW3 since the end of EoD?
multiple layoffs happened and we don't really know what they're working on behind the scenes, GW2 is not a side project now, it is still their main and only source of income
Dr. Electrocutioner 20 NOV 2024 a las 5:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Hefutoxin:
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
I also liked the easy peasy Springer and glider, because I am not from the "grinding is good for your soul school", or whatever those people call themselves who are mad when things become easier to get.

The overwhelming majority of people don't understand that the value of something depends on what it takes to get it.

You liked the easy peasy Springer and glider, yet you don't value them at all:

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
300 gold is pretty brutal, especially when I'm not even close to the 250 I need for the griffon.

Getting back to the OP's point, this all does seem rather punitive to get a decent mount.

Maybe I should just wait for a future expansion where they hand out griffons to everyone.

Springer was amazing when it came out. It saved a large amount of time getting to poi, hero points, and navigating Heart of Thorns. The boost in mobility it provides is massive.

But you want a "decent mount" now. The irony is that the Griffon takes far more time to learn to use than it takes to unlock it. There's a reason you rarely see anyone on it.
How can you possibly believe I don't value the glider and Springer? Where did you even get that from?

My primary means of getting around all of the maps is dismount the Springer just before it jumps to launch myself in the air, then deploy the glider, then use the Jade Bot updraft.

All of that came from End of Dragons and I have been able to reach even the highest areas of all of the maps this way.

The boost recharges every 30 seconds and I can remain airborne sometimes minutes at a time.

Since this thread is about JW I will give an example where I jump off the Wizards camp towards where all those Champion monsters are. The second boost gets me over the cliff and I keep on going. There are updrafts on those maps as well.

Flying around this way is my favorite thing in the game and is in no way diminished by the fact that the glider was handed to me at the start of EoD and I got the Springer from the heart at Grub Lane.

Also I think the reason you don't see people on the griffon very often is 250 gp plus a 50 step collection (where I am counting completion of the PoF story as a single step).
Última edición por Dr. Electrocutioner; 20 NOV 2024 a las 5:34 p. m.
Psil_Semilan 20 NOV 2024 a las 11:01 p. m. 
Feasts without Braham are not feasts!
Uma Purpura 21 NOV 2024 a las 12:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Virgo:

You have absolutely no source on this and are just talking out of your anus. There was ONE leak in a meeting that suggested they may be starting GW3 dev or are in the process of a mega expansion.
This is absolutely false. You fell for their misdirection when they tried to scrub all the info because you didn't do enough research.

Publicado originalmente por Virgo:
TLDR: As of this moment Guild Wars 3 has not been approved and is not being developed. It is in the review stage where NCSoft may decide to greenlight it and start development.
The Facts:

Guild Wars 3 was name dropped during an NCSoft shareholders meeting in Korea and after the event was confirmed as being in the review stage of approval with no active development at this time.

ArenaNet has already confirmed multiple Guild Wars 2 expansions are actively in development so there is no end to Guild Wars 2 in the near future. Guild Wars 2 has at the very least 2+ more years of content already announced as in development.

Even if Guild Wars 3 started development today, it would be several years of development before a release if it could even release this decade, and it is not starting development today.

Because the GW3 project is only in the review stage, there is every possibility that it is shot down and does not happen, the gaming industry is very volatile right now and investments are very low.
TLDR: no.

GW3 started development after the end of EoD, back in 2022, it is not in the any review stage anymore. You really have the audacity to tell me that I'm "talking out of my anus" yet I'm 100% sure that you have absolutely 0 proof to back the claim that it's still in the early review stage.
And of course there are multiple GW2 expansions in the works, the goal is to prevent a total content drought while they work on GW3, why does something like that even need explaining?

Publicado originalmente por Soul Reaver:
Publicado originalmente por Uma Purpura:

I don't understand how people are even surprised at this point. For quite a while now it's been known that they're working on Guild Wars 3 since the end of EoD, and GW2 is just a side project now.
Getting less content is definitely better than getting none though.

Do you have sources behind the idea that they've been working on GW3 since the end of EoD?
multiple layoffs happened and we don't really know what they're working on behind the scenes, GW2 is not a side project now, it is still their main and only source of income

I'm not sure which layoffs you reference, because there have been several ones, including all the drama when people got fired for posting stuff on social media that Anet didn't like :)
But in any case, people have analysed Anet's statements, the cadence of released content,etc, and also the job listings since 2022 and the people that were hired (their profiles, Linkedin, what they specialise in, etc.) - there's basically a spreadsheet and analysis that some very "dedicated" people made, you should dig for it, I'm sure it's still out there.
It basically confirms what everyone was suspecting, all the people they hired at the end of EoD and after were specialised in UE5 + MMO stuff, and since that was an Anet listing and not an NCsoft one, it was obvious that it's directed towards Guild Wars, unless Anet somehow mysteriously decided to make a completely new MMO IP. We know GW2 won't be moving to UE5 due to such a transition being quite nearly impossible to pull off, so it's certain that it's a new project. At the end of EoD the slower pace of content also started, which became even more obvious with the new small expansions, so y'know, if they hired so many new people at that same moment that specialise in UE5 and MMOs, and they definitely ain't working on GW2, what are they doing? Because I highly doubt Anet is paying them for nothing. But anyway, there's plenty of things pointing directly in the direction of Anet working on a new MMO since the end of 2022 and the shareholder slips seem to suggest that it is GW3. There have also been some insider comments that were mentioned in those spreadsheets, but those I'm not sure if are correct because there's no real way of knowing if Anet employees really said that.
There's also a new card game in the guild wars universe coming though, it's called "Lion's Arch: Battle Arena" or something like that.
Anet tried to cover up a lot of things and did some pretty impressive scrubbing tbh that's why so much information vanished or got confusing, but it's still out there if you dig enough. And honestly, it's absolutely understandable from their point to try and hide it as much as possible, because the first reaction of people to GW3 seems to be "oh why play GW2 I'll just wait for 3 then", and considering that it's still years before we get 3, that would be a financial disaster for Anet
Hefutoxin 21 NOV 2024 a las 12:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
How can you possibly believe I don't value the glider and Springer? Where did you even get that from?

Also I think the reason you don't see people on the griffon very often is 250 gp plus a 50 step collection (where I am counting completion of the PoF story as a single step).

I literally quoted you:

"this all does seem rather punitive to get a decent mount."

You could only say this if you believed the mounts you currently possess are not decent.

Similar to if I said "All the steps to make a legendary seem rather punitive to get a decent weapon."

Half of GW2 Efficiency users have Griffon.
42% have S4 Skyscale.
13% have SotO Skyscale.

You can have both S4 and SotO Skyscale (which makes Skyscale even better).

It's a safe bet to say that the number of people who have Griffon unlocked is similar to the number of Skyscales you see in game. They don't use Griffon because it takes skill.
SinisterSlay 21 NOV 2024 a las 4:59 a. m. 
Yeah Griffon is fun. Fastest mount in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuK-Muhuco
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Soul Reaver 21 NOV 2024 a las 5:58 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Uma Purpura:

ANET are known with cancelling projects and changing plans, we really can't know if there is a GW3 being developed since 2022 or not, with recent news in 2024 about NCSOFT approving a GW3 that suggests they didn't start working on it yet and denies the rumors you're talking about.

the most recent statement from ANET denies the rumors about GW3 being in development since 2022:

"As an active game studio we are always doing internal exploratory work for possible future titles we’d want to create, however we have nothing to confirm right now. The team’s focus is on Guild Wars 2 development, including the game’s next expansion, which we’re excited to talk about soon."

unless if they're lying.

they're definetly working on other games besides GW2 and there is no way to know what they're working on exactly.
about the new mini expansions approach it is basically to make more money, GW2 was and still way more generous with content for what you pay compared to other games in the market, ESO for example they sell a yearly DLC that is more expensive than GW2 expansions with less content and optional monthly sub with 2 extra "episodes" DLCs inbetween, Destiny 2 sells you a tiny $100 expansion every year which is waaaaay smaller than a $25 GW2 expansion.

imo GW3 if happened won't be like a GW1 to GW2 leap, it will be almost a downgrade in every aspect aside from graphics, the original team behind GW2 is gone and basically if they make a sequel it will be more like a New World 2.0, i doubt they will take that risk because in the current time most new mmos fail miserably.
Teratus 21 NOV 2024 a las 6:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Soul Reaver:
imo GW3 if happened won't be like a GW1 to GW2 leap, it will be almost a downgrade in every aspect aside from graphics, the original team behind GW2 is gone and basically if they make a sequel it will be more like a New World 2.0, i doubt they will take that risk because in the current time most new mmos fail miserably.

Worst thing MMO's can do tbh is focus heavily on graphics.. it's just unnecessary bloat to system resources especially when the game is expected to be huge in scale and rich with mechanic diversity and cosmetics..

Art style is severely more important to MMO's.
So even if there does come a Gw3, I hope it doesn't put too much importance on being the best looking MMO, because Guildwars has never focused on that before, it's always put significantly more focus on being fun to play and accessible to as many players as possible.

Which is partly the reason Anet have always been so anti subfee as well.. something that is a rarity now in this market space, and one of the biggest reasons for this franchises success.
If Gw3 goes subfee (which I doubt it will) then the vast majority of Gw1 and Gw2 players won't play it, and the game will flop hard.
Última edición por Teratus; 21 NOV 2024 a las 6:09 a. m.
Uma Purpura 21 NOV 2024 a las 8:52 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Soul Reaver:
Publicado originalmente por Uma Purpura:

ANET are known with cancelling projects and changing plans, we really can't know if there is a GW3 being developed since 2022 or not, with recent news in 2024 about NCSOFT approving a GW3 that suggests they didn't start working on it yet and denies the rumors you're talking about.

the most recent statement from ANET denies the rumors about GW3 being in development since 2022:

"As an active game studio we are always doing internal exploratory work for possible future titles we’d want to create, however we have nothing to confirm right now. The team’s focus is on Guild Wars 2 development, including the game’s next expansion, which we’re excited to talk about soon."

unless if they're lying.

they're definetly working on other games besides GW2 and there is no way to know what they're working on exactly.
about the new mini expansions approach it is basically to make more money, GW2 was and still way more generous with content for what you pay compared to other games in the market, ESO for example they sell a yearly DLC that is more expensive than GW2 expansions with less content and optional monthly sub with 2 extra "episodes" DLCs inbetween, Destiny 2 sells you a tiny $100 expansion every year which is waaaaay smaller than a $25 GW2 expansion.

imo GW3 if happened won't be like a GW1 to GW2 leap, it will be almost a downgrade in every aspect aside from graphics, the original team behind GW2 is gone and basically if they make a sequel it will be more like a New World 2.0, i doubt they will take that risk because in the current time most new mmos fail miserably.

They ain't cancelling it though, not a chance, that's quite an unrealistic assumption. Guild Wars 2 will be 13 years old next year and they themselves have quite often said how many constraints and limitations working on the old engine puts on them, which was ironically also a major reason why they moved from GW1 to GW2 back in the day as well. I mean, that really can be felt in-game as well when new content ends up being just a repurposed and changed version of something already existing because it's getting increasingly difficult for them to push the old engine further.
So we might not know how long it will take them to make GW3 and what the new game will look like, true, but they ain't cancelling it, that's quite certain, because even if they keep GW2 going for 20 more years, they won't be able to get a lot more out of the old engine from the 2010s.
Oh and yeah, the statement you quote was from the time when they were doing damage control and cover ups, and I believe that's why it's deliberately worded in such an ambiguous way. Like, think about it, they didn't say they ain't working on it, they just said they ain't confirming it right now, and the "team's focus" as in a team, but as I previously mentioned they hired more folks in the past 2 years so there's definitely more than 1 team working right now
But anyway, yeah, I guess only time will tell, because even with all the hints and info, we won't know for sure until they tell us what's up
Isseus 22 NOV 2024 a las 1:35 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
Lol.

The council meeting or whatever that was, and the the bears.

Not just one either, there was a table full of them with all kinds of irrelevant things to say.

I walked away from the game repeatedly during the mandatory tedium, but it does get better once you are past that.

And you have to do the council vote twice to get the achievement which makes absolutely no sense. Is my character some timeline-hopping Marvel character now? Is there a Guild Wars Multifarce?
Dr. Electrocutioner 22 NOV 2024 a las 2:13 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Isseus:
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
Lol.

The council meeting or whatever that was, and the the bears.

Not just one either, there was a table full of them with all kinds of irrelevant things to say.

I walked away from the game repeatedly during the mandatory tedium, but it does get better once you are past that.

And you have to do the council vote twice to get the achievement which makes absolutely no sense. Is my character some timeline-hopping Marvel character now? Is there a Guild Wars Multifarce?
Re-do it to get the acievement is nothing new. i guess that's how they stretch out the content into more playing hours.

There are numerous Central Tyria Mastery points that can only be gotten by replaying content for achievements.
SinisterSlay 22 NOV 2024 a las 6:46 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Isseus:
Publicado originalmente por Dr. Electrocutioner:
Lol.

The council meeting or whatever that was, and the the bears.

Not just one either, there was a table full of them with all kinds of irrelevant things to say.

I walked away from the game repeatedly during the mandatory tedium, but it does get better once you are past that.

And you have to do the council vote twice to get the achievement which makes absolutely no sense. Is my character some timeline-hopping Marvel character now? Is there a Guild Wars Multifarce?
Your an immortal demigod. So yes, you can timeline hop. Play more of the story.
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