PLEASE, never do another Skyscale level unlock again

[Muttley]

I just hit the part after grabbing the eggs. Christ is it a chore. Like I understand, it's a dragon mount that lets you fly around and around enemies... but ♥♥♥♥ me is this tedious

[𝕊𝕙𝕒𝕚𝕕𝕠𝕟]

Postat inițial de ChiasaChan Allkeyshop:

No, YOU don't get it. People who tell you you are impatient also wanted to get the skyscale, so in that regard they are no different from you and him.

The difference is that THEY can acknowledge that it is ok to work for something you want which is supposed to be harder to get than other stuff, while YOU claim that it should not be that way and everything should be easy. If your "perspective" is that everything you have to work for more than half an hour is "unfun", then yes, you are absolutely impatient, want it easy and don't value things. There is a reason so many people say that stuff. The reason is, it is true.

Wow, you interpreted my opinion with such exaggeration just to make you feel right. Honestly, I won't bother to break it appart, cause I already know, its not worth it.

[Saber]

Postat inițial de halogamb:

Postat inițial de Saber:

Kind of not sure which bit is worse the ones that skip any help or tips about getting to the point they want so they make it harder for themselves then it has to be due to lack of right info . Or the ones that get some info and then skip all of the other stuff just so they can finish it all faster.

Reminds me of people that use to farm up a legendary before any ascended gear set and then burn themselves out in 30 days .

Agreed. And to emphasize, the game was designed in such a way that it logically builds upon itself. That much seems obvious to me at least so people who skip the majority of the content and rush to specific things are really going to have a bad time and the skyscale collection exemplifies this. It's probably a nightmare for someone who has skipped all the other mounts and their mastery tracks. Whereas if you don't skip that stuff, it's extremely easy.

I helped a dude get one of the mastery points few days ago in desert highlands . Its the one for which you need jackal portals .
Since he just tp to me he skipped all the cool sand trails in the sky .
And he probably wont ever go and see them unless a ascended weapon elite spec colection brings him back there .

So a whole cool little part of the game world that he wont get to see or experience .

[Saber]

Postat inițial de Whoka:

Postat inițial de Saber:

The thing is for a lot of casual players Skyscale is the first long project they do in game .
Lvling up they can do with log in Thomes , birthday gifts ...
For Hps and elite specs they can follow a group.
Basic exotic gear they can pick up from the trade post .

So a flying mount that has time /effort added to unlock probably feels like hitting a brick wall.
It might be a slight annoyance to some of the vets that cut through legendary crafting like a hungry cat deletes a tuna can . But it will present a huge spike for some % of casual players .

And the whole process has been nerfed already . So its now shorter then it was on launch.

Compared to any legendary or even Aurora, Vision, Transcendence and Conflux its a joke .

Not to mention doing all 3 sets of legendary armor

Still there are people who like the collections and small bits of story some of them add to the game .

Main problem just like with the Turtle and the release way of obtaining it is not giving the casual bit of player base its own alternate way .

So now even with all of those guides ,return to achievements spoon feeding you materials and general lowering the time investment the Skyscale collection is still mentioned as "Supper hard to do "

If you are brand new its definitly harder . And I do see a lot of new people just beelining just to skyscale even skipping getting skimmer, springer, jackal .With ~30 total mastery points and lvl up booster used.

I met bunch of them in Desert highlands asking for ports since they need mesmer help to get to places in their quest for the flying mount .

Kind of not sure which bit is worse the ones that skip any help or tips about getting to the point they want so they make it harder for themselves then it has to be due to lack of right info . Or the ones that get some info and then skip all of the other stuff just so they can finish it all faster.

Reminds me of people that use to farm up a legendary before any ascended gear set and then burn themselves out in 30 days .

so is it possible to skip griffon and go after skyscale slowly? kinda feels like griffon is a waste since it takes gold on top of doing a few chores compared to skyscale which can actually fly

Yes you can skip the Griff until you feel like you can throw extra funds at it .

Just like any other thing you dont need to rush . Take your time . Get your bearings and find things that are fun . After that go for any and all extra bits you like .

[Saber]

Postat inițial de Shaidon:

When you find something interesting, you want to get it. In special when you see how that gives an edge to those that have it. And then, the process to do so takes a large amount of steps that hurts the fun to do so.
And some people don't get it. They will see your pespective as "impatience", or that you want it "easy". "People don't value things. Don't understand how things work" etc

So, don't expect changes to facilitate how to get the fun stuff, cause people are so used to grind and slow pace introduced by F2P MMOs, that they will make you feel that your opinion have no value.

For instance I play ranked pvp each day . At least 1-2 games .
For me the pvp Legendary backpack , amulet and all 3 armors were not a chore ,grind or a hard thing to do.

I was already doing that bit of content for my daily's , reward tracks , skins and fun .

For my friend who mainly just raids amulet and backpack were torture .

I get that people want the shiny .
Its like that even with single player games .
But the difference is in multiplayer ones there are usually 0 ways for people to skip the effort and get the shiny thing .
Sure there are skins in gem store but they dont mean the same thing as stuff you have to put in some effort .

And Y i get that we are talking about a mount and its approachability to average joe and not optional weapon thing . All of the players can make use of a mount , specific legendary weapons not so much .

Still for me it was not the hardest thing ever . Nor do I have any data on % of players who have the living world episode and decided it was worth the effort vs nop.

Best I can do is lend a helping hand or give any info I have . Rest is up to Anet to balance out .

[halogamb]

Postat inițial de Shaidon:

Postat inițial de ChiasaChan Allkeyshop:

No, YOU don't get it. People who tell you you are impatient also wanted to get the skyscale, so in that regard they are no different from you and him.

The difference is that THEY can acknowledge that it is ok to work for something you want which is supposed to be harder to get than other stuff, while YOU claim that it should not be that way and everything should be easy. If your "perspective" is that everything you have to work for more than half an hour is "unfun", then yes, you are absolutely impatient, want it easy and don't value things. There is a reason so many people say that stuff. The reason is, it is true.

Wow, you interpreted my opinion with such exaggeration just to make you feel right. Honestly, I won't bother to break it appart, cause I already know, its not worth it.

Your opinion is barely expressed though. You've only made blanket statements with no substance thus far.

[halogamb]

Postat inițial de Saber:

Postat inițial de halogamb:

Agreed. And to emphasize, the game was designed in such a way that it logically builds upon itself. That much seems obvious to me at least so people who skip the majority of the content and rush to specific things are really going to have a bad time and the skyscale collection exemplifies this. It's probably a nightmare for someone who has skipped all the other mounts and their mastery tracks. Whereas if you don't skip that stuff, it's extremely easy.

I helped a dude get one of the mastery points few days ago in desert highlands . Its the one for which you need jackal portals .
Since he just tp to me he skipped all the cool sand trails in the sky .
And he probably wont ever go and see them unless a ascended weapon elite spec colection brings him back there .

So a whole cool little part of the game world that he wont get to see or experience .

If that's the one with the sand trail in the sky that leads to that little overlook way up in the sky, then that's a shame. It's such a reward to get to that place when you figure it out. People make general statements that it's nothing but grind but it seems more and more obvious that anything that requires any sort of time commitment to make progress through gets improperly lumped into the "grind" category. It's a shame that people really lack the self-awareness to understand what it is they're demanding and how out of place such demands feel within the scope of GW2.

[TheTool]

Postat inițial de halogamb:

Postat inițial de Saber:

I helped a dude get one of the mastery points few days ago in desert highlands . Its the one for which you need jackal portals .
Since he just tp to me he skipped all the cool sand trails in the sky .
And he probably wont ever go and see them unless a ascended weapon elite spec colection brings him back there .

So a whole cool little part of the game world that he wont get to see or experience .

If that's the one with the sand trail in the sky that leads to that little overlook way up in the sky, then that's a shame. It's such a reward to get to that place when you figure it out. People make general statements that it's nothing but grind but it seems more and more obvious that anything that requires any sort of time commitment to make progress through gets improperly lumped into the "grind" category. It's a shame that people really lack the self-awareness to understand what it is they're demanding and how out of place such demands feel within the scope of GW2.

Fits the scope of Steam as per the usual.

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Postat inițial de Nico:

Postat inițial de Whoka:

so is it possible to skip griffon and go after skyscale slowly? kinda feels like griffon is a waste since it takes gold on top of doing a few chores compared to skyscale which can actually fly

They require diferent collections, so you can get both mounts first. And both have their own strengths. For example the Griffon is the fastest mount we have, it might have a comparable speed to the beetle, but due to being in the air the griffon can usually be faster in average than the beetle. It's only disadvantage is requiring a higher point from where you can dive a litle bit.

Whereas the Skyscale is super slow. It has perfect control in the air but is one of the slowest mounts, wether it's on the ground or in the air. But it is the best mount to climb up, so it's a perfect replacement for the springer. For just slowly but carefully exploring a region the skyscale is usually the best, for traveling quickly it's not so great. And for gliding across longer distances the griffon is clearly superior, simply since he is way quicker, neither of them really loses much height across a longer distance. Though I think the griffon loses less height.

So yeah, both mounts have their advantages, it mostly depends on what you want or need.

Thanks again for all the info, Nico o7

[Trash_Sombra]

Postat inițial de Muttley:

I just hit the part after grabbing the eggs. Christ is it a chore. Like I understand, it's a dragon mount that lets you fly around and around enemies... but ♥♥♥♥ me is this tedious

yeah it's bad when the epidoe came out they made it seem like they would give it to you in the story but nope turns out that you have to grind for it made me not want to get it

[AuldWolf]

Guild Wars 2 is made up of grinds like that at the end game though. I'm not sure why the Skyscale one is picked out in particular. Collections is hardly an alien concept to the game. It's the kind of thing that all players spend most of their time doing aside from PvP once they're done with the story.

If you find the collections not especially fun, you likely won't enjoy the game.

[Triassic Wee Woo Wagonsaurus]

did you know it used to take extremely longer back at its initial release? we didnt have bjora marches farm, didnt have return to achievements giving 250 materials of each map, also the time gates took us like a week. so please cry more that its hand fed now

[Muttley]

Postat inițial de I Pulled A Butt Muscle:

did you know it used to take extremely longer back at its initial release? we didnt have bjora marches farm, didnt have return to achievements giving 250 materials of each map, also the time gates took us like a week. so please cry more that its hand fed now

I thought the Time Gate was 2 days, not a week plus. also I haven't used any farm yet

[Triassic Wee Woo Wagonsaurus]

Postat inițial de Muttley:

Postat inițial de I Pulled A Butt Muscle:

did you know it used to take extremely longer back at its initial release? we didnt have bjora marches farm, didnt have return to achievements giving 250 materials of each map, also the time gates took us like a week. so please cry more that its hand fed now

I thought the Time Gate was 2 days, not a week plus. also I haven't used any farm yet

like i said you werent there when it was actually a time gate

[SinisterSlay]

Depended on how many charged crystals you had saved up. I had over 50 at the time so I finished Skyscale in 3 days I think? Then made the food item and made a nice profit for several months.

As for flying.... Skyscale is a helicopter, Griffon is a jet plane.
As for distance, it's variable. Over a short distance, Skyscale actually increases in height. Over a mid distance, Skyscale is usually better. Over an long distance, Griffon loses less height.
And, from a high location, Griffon loses no height at all no matter how long you fly as long as you don't crash into anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjbsF1zqt10