Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2

Realized Dec 22, 2024 @ 3:22pm
Another publisher that makes bad Bundles
Here we again, different game same problem.

I waited like 6 months for the sales on the DLC only to not be able to Complete the Bundle with the Living World options because I bought the first two damn DLCs.
A price point of about $27 (there is no Bundle discount, it's literally just to include LW content which doesn't have it's own store page btw) is now $35 because I have to buy the seasons in-game on a lower discount with a higher gem cost.

This is just a malicious business practice and Valve should just remove this bundle style from Steam. The bundles do not state that they are not "Complete the-" and only serve to induce FOMO for not buying it all at the same time (especially when linked with another service that prevents refunding to re-buy altogether).
Originally posted by ebaG-gamma:
Originally posted by Realized:
Yes, let me just spend the amount I paid so far twice, and lose my in-game progress. Great idea.
Alas, you're out of luck. Your bad experience should come as a warning to anyone looking into buying the game on Steam.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3335333185

The bundles the website shop also don't take into account if you already own parts of them, only in-game gem store purchases do, but at least you are not barred from buying a bundle if you own any part of it. That way you could buy the HoT+PoF bundle for 7.50 and later on, if you are sure that you want to commit, get the EDS complete collection for 50. You're still "wasting" the initial 7.50, but at least the option exists.
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Realized Dec 27, 2024 @ 7:46pm 
Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Originally posted by Realized:
You're an absolute clown, and it hurts to know you get a vote when you think so fallaciously.
Just like the state lottery is not responsible for your gambling problem, gaming companies are not responsible for your fear of missing out.

Not only a non-seq (continuing the fallacious thinking), this isn't about the fear of missing out, lmao. It's about not being told up front that you can be disqualified from a bundle when it appears identical to other bundles that don't have disqualifiers.

You're just some strange boot-licker, using this topic as a blanket to air your misguided and warped perception of how 'people just complain nowadays,' as if the companies don't earn it— like we're still in the 1920s before planned obsolescence came into view, or 1980s and forced arbitration wasn't caught onto, and so on. Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥' bizarre.

Polish them shoes, wagey. Corpos are in your favor after all, so pay it back (for free).
Hefutoxin Dec 28, 2024 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Realized:
Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Just like the state lottery is not responsible for your gambling problem, gaming companies are not responsible for your fear of missing out.

Not only a non-seq (continuing the fallacious thinking), this isn't about the fear of missing out, lmao. It's about not being told up front that you can be disqualified from a bundle when it appears identical to other bundles that don't have disqualifiers.

You're just some strange boot-licker, using this topic as a blanket to air your misguided and warped perception of how 'people just complain nowadays,' as if the companies don't earn it— like we're still in the 1920s before planned obsolescence came into view, or 1980s and forced arbitration wasn't caught onto, and so on. Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥' bizarre.

Polish them shoes, wagey. Corpos are in your favor after all, so pay it back (for free).

Still swinging. Still missing.

Go back and reread your opening post. No. Go back and reread it. Who was it that claimed this was a malicious business practice that only servers to induce FOMO? Hint: It was you.

After STARTING this thread, claiming this is about FOMO, now you wish to claim it isn't about FOMO.

Bro, this is all you. You are in Fear Of Missing Out on a discount. That's what you started with. That's what this entire thread is about. You are upset and want it removed from steam because YOU are afraid you missed out.

Sling as much anti-capitalist shade as you want. When you tire yourself out and leave, the Complete Dragon Saga will still be for sale, and I will still be checking back on these forums occasionally. So... nothing will change.
Realized Dec 28, 2024 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
After STARTING this thread, claiming this is about FOMO, now you wish to claim it isn't about FOMO.

Life must be difficult for you.
FOMO is a logical conclusion (thus serving the purpose to) for someone who witnesses this somehow-not-consumer-unfriendly practice (according to you) of...?

(We'd be here forever) Making bundles not a "Complete the Collection" style bundle [the titular claim]. This, because there is no indication that owning a single part of it would lock you out of it. I really don't know how many times this has to be stated. I'm gonna just make a sign to tap for you from here on out.

Publishers don't make bundles as consumer-friendly as they ought to be by using the style that precludes purchase if any part of it is owned, when there is no indication it is that style versus the proper style that has no such preclusion. Since most bundles are not this style, and it is objectively a better set up for consumers to have this option, it's a betrayal of a kind to find out post-hoc— the only way to find out— that a bundle is not this style. Therefor, discerning buyers may withhold from transactions until the bundle style is confirmed.

It's simply unnecessary uncertainty.

I don't know why you're so strangely against something that would benefit you and every other person who uses steam.
Hefutoxin Dec 29, 2024 @ 12:19am 
Originally posted by Realized:
Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
After STARTING this thread, claiming this is about FOMO, now you wish to claim it isn't about FOMO.

Life must be difficult for you.
FOMO is a logical conclusion (thus serving the purpose to) for someone who witnesses this somehow-not-consumer-unfriendly practice (according to you) of...?

(We'd be here forever) Making bundles not a "Complete the Collection" style bundle [the titular claim]. This, because there is no indication that owning a single part of it would lock you out of it. I really don't know how many times this has to be stated. I'm gonna just make a sign to tap for you from here on out.

Publishers don't make bundles as consumer-friendly as they ought to be by using the style that precludes purchase if any part of it is owned, when there is no indication it is that style versus the proper style that has no such preclusion. Since most bundles are not this style, and it is objectively a better set up for consumers to have this option, it's a betrayal of a kind to find out post-hoc— the only way to find out— that a bundle is not this style. Therefor, discerning buyers may withhold from transactions until the bundle style is confirmed.

It's simply unnecessary uncertainty.

I don't know why you're so strangely against something that would benefit you and every other person who uses steam.

Everything you have said here are only justifications of why things should be in a way that is most helpful to YOU.

Guild Wars 2 existed for a decade before coming to Steam. HOW Guild Wars 2 conducts it's store is not compatible with Steam. Namely, how Living World works.

Plenty of people have bought either the expansions separately or the Complete Collection. Only a few people were unable to make their purchase without throwing a fit. Congrats being in the top 1% of something, I guess.

Since YOU cannot benefit from the Complete Collection, you want it removed. That was in your opening post. You stated that, not me.

You have also stated that ArenaNet could have made it so Steam players had to buy LW on the Steam store. Which benefits you, but prevents all other Steam from just converting gold to earn it in game.

You keep trying to push the idea that these changes would benefit me and others on Steam. Taking choices away just because YOU don't benefit from them is not beneficial to anyone.

I, and many others, are not overly concerned about trying to get everything for the absolute cheapest price we possibly can. So we have no Fear Of Missing Out on the sale price of a Collection Bundle just because owning part of it makes us ineligible.

Short: You are never going to convince anyone that taking choices away from the consumer is a good idea.
Realized Dec 30, 2024 @ 2:31am 
Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Everything you have said here are only justifications of why things should be in a way that is most helpful to YOU.

I am but one user among millions on Steam, this would benefit literally everyone, but sure let's make this about me. (Your tactic is transparent, I suggest you stop this puerility.)

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Guild Wars 2 existed for a decade before coming to Steam. HOW Guild Wars 2 conducts it's store is not compatible with Steam. Namely, how Living World works.

They can do whatever they want to? Are you saying you know how steam's back-end works form the perspective of the publisher and it's somehow not possible (i.e. Valve's oversight) for them to make it work?
Also, clearly, you can buy LW outside of the game. It doesn't have its own store page, but ANet has a system that can recognize your purchase via Steam a-la this bundle. They can give it a store page; they can make the bundle like 99% of other bundles.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Since YOU cannot benefit from the Complete Collection, you want it removed. That was in your opening post. You stated that, not me.

This one is just sad. Continuing with the all-caps you-ing and then lying about what I claimed. I don't want the bundle removed, I want all bundles to be universally equal to each other— the way they are in the majority of cases. I want them to be the consumer-friendly Complete the Collection style that allows people to benefit from the bundle even if they bought-in to the project earlier than the bundle was made. Again, you just look absolutely ridiculous arguing against something that benefits every. single. Steam user, including yourself.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
You have also stated that ArenaNet could have made it so Steam players had to buy LW on the Steam store. Which benefits you, but prevents all other Steam from just converting gold to earn it in game.

I'll just cvpaste a little from above:
ANet has a system that can recognize your purchase via Steam a-la this bundle. They can give it a store page; they can make the bundle like 99% of other bundles.
To reiterate: while you can obviously still buy LW in-game with the Steam version, you can very obviously buy it through the Steam store as well. It's a redundant statement to say that since both options are available to Steam users they aren't mutually exclusive, but here I am thinking it's necessary to say to you because you seem to think it would "prevent all other Steam from just converting gold to earn it in game."
You don't seem to get it, or perhaps you don't want to get it and would rather invent fictitious claims on my behalf and attack those strawmen.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
You keep trying to push the idea that these changes would benefit me and others on Steam. Taking choices away just because YOU don't benefit from them is not beneficial to anyone.

Once again, adding an option is not taking an option away, the purchasing methods aren't mutually exclusive, it is objectively a benefit to all Steam users to have the option of the bundle available to them, and so on and so forth as has already been stated probably 6 times before this post.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
I, and many others, are not overly concerned about trying to get everything for the absolute cheapest price we possibly can.

The irony here is almost palpable.
I'm glad you're in a position of such privilege money doesn't mean much to you, but this is such an egocentric statement it's actually amusing. Here you are all-capitals "YOU, YOU, YOU" at me wanting a better system for all and then you bust out the "well, I don't care for it," trying to squeeze in "and many others" like it matters how many people don't care they aren't benefiting from something they could be.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
Short: You are never going to convince anyone that taking choices away from the consumer is a good idea.

*Taps the sign*
Originally posted by Realized:
ANet has a system that can recognize your purchase via Steam a-la this bundle. They can give it a store page; they can make the bundle like 99% of other bundles.
To reiterate: while you can obviously still buy LW in-game with the Steam version, you can very obviously buy it through the Steam store as well. It's a redundant statement to say that since both options are available to Steam users they aren't mutually exclusive.

Low INT playthroughs are fun in RPGs from the player's perspective only.
MangorushZ Dec 30, 2024 @ 2:51am 
This troll doesn't even own the game.
Realized Dec 30, 2024 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by MangorushZ:
This troll doesn't even own the game.

Not only does this account not owning the game have no bearing on the argument, but I do in fact own the game just not on this account.

What is with you people and completely ignoring the points? Just taking the laziest route equivalent to plugging your ears and going "LALALALALALALA, I DON'T SEE A MOUSE ICON, LALALALALA."

Putrid behaviour.
Hefutoxin Dec 30, 2024 @ 3:50am 
Originally posted by Realized:
this would benefit literally everyone

Miss, miss, miss.

1. Steam can't check your account to see if you bought living world with gems before allowing a purchase of living world on the steam store.

2. If Steam forces steam users to purchase living world on the steam store, then it prevents steam users from using the gold to gem conversion to buy the living world in the gem store, because of the situation above.

3. In order to purchase Living World seasons, you must have the expansion that is associated with them. You literally do not have the option to buy a season for an expansion you do not own. In game store or otherwise.

4. The only reason Living World can be included in the Complete Dragon Saga is because it includes the expansions needed to purchase the Living World.

I understand the situation. Nibbie understands the situation. Sychon understands the situation. DannyPA understands the situation.

You do not.

This is not a GW2 issue. This isn't even a Steam issue. It's a situation that happens when you buy a game, with an in-game MTX shop, on a 3rd party platform. Epic, Playstation, Xbox, and Nintendo all run into the same situation.
The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic.
ebaG-gamma Dec 30, 2024 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by Realized:
Yes, let me just spend the amount I paid so far twice, and lose my in-game progress. Great idea.
Alas, you're out of luck. Your bad experience should come as a warning to anyone looking into buying the game on Steam.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3335333185

The bundles the website shop also don't take into account if you already own parts of them, only in-game gem store purchases do, but at least you are not barred from buying a bundle if you own any part of it. That way you could buy the HoT+PoF bundle for 7.50 and later on, if you are sure that you want to commit, get the EDS complete collection for 50. You're still "wasting" the initial 7.50, but at least the option exists.
Realized Dec 30, 2024 @ 8:52pm 
It's sadly a bit more than 7.50 USD.
Sucks, because outside of their handling of the Steam storefront, I've liked ANet's operations.

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:
And yet, they can do it, they made a structure for it, they just didn't. Just gonna sunset you with the sign.
Hefutoxin Dec 31, 2024 @ 3:05am 
Originally posted by Realized:
And yet, they can do it, they made a structure for it, they just didn't. Just gonna sunset you with the sign.

I am sorry that you cannot understand basic concepts.
Originally posted by Realized:
Here we again, different game same problem.

I waited like 6 months for the sales on the DLC only to not be able to Complete the Bundle with the Living World options because I bought the first two damn DLCs.
A price point of about $27 (there is no Bundle discount, it's literally just to include LW content which doesn't have it's own store page btw) is now $35 because I have to buy the seasons in-game on a lower discount with a higher gem cost.

This is just a malicious business practice and Valve should just remove this bundle style from Steam. The bundles do not state that they are not "Complete the-" and only serve to induce FOMO for not buying it all at the same time (especially when linked with another service that prevents refunding to re-buy altogether).

lol filtered

thank God
Originally posted by Uncle Buck:

lmao banned within 2 hours, how much troll posting did you do? You ever wonder what it might be like to be good and useful and not just a jester farmer?
Originally posted by Realized:
People can have multiple accounts

But why in the world would you have multiple Steam accounts?
~T~D~ Jan 7 @ 4:15am 
Originally posted by Sly-Scale:
Originally posted by Realized:
People can have multiple accounts

But why in the world would you have multiple Steam accounts?

Look at his profile, do you really think he owns this game on his "other" profile?

I call Troll.
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